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KFTRA: Blacklisting E2s and Fs in Korea
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John_ESL_White



Joined: 12 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: KFTRA: Blacklisting E2s and Fs in Korea Reply with quote

http://www.kftra.co.kr/list.asp

Search by a commom first name or last name: smith, sara, john, etc.

The discussion boards are interesting.

One thread has a hagwon posting that an F4 (gyopo) ran away and they want to know what they can do. The admin answers that they do not post gyopo info, only foreigners.

good stuff if you have a korean to translate
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff--and it's a violation of Korean law. If you're listed on that site, please contact a lawyer!
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3MB



Joined: 26 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my name ever appeared there I would sure the crap out of them
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John_ESL_White



Joined: 12 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Throw some lawyer names out there along with an estimated price for such a lawsuit. And, what are the benefits? I don't need recruiters, so being on a list is not a prob. But, if I can make a buck, it would be great! Money makes the world go 'round.
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: KFTRA Reply with quote

Some interesting alternate websites, connected with the above KFTRA blacklist, below.

Note that many links have been severed, probably after legal advice. But as the OP says, a search on a common English name, (John, Alex, Paul etc) will still pull up several hits, so maybe that blacklist is just more clandestine now? The weird thing is, that if you search 'American' or 'Canadian', you get zero hits.

http://esldaily.blogspot.com/2007/11/illegal-blacklist-korean-foreign.html

http://fenceriderkorea.blogspot.com/2007/11/got-blacklisted-get-even.html

Oh, & here's a list of KFTRA members:

EICOEDU http://www.eicoedu.com
OK Recruiting http://www.opportunitykorea.com
JOB IN KOREA http://www.jobinkorea.co.kr
Korea Recruiting http://www.korearecruiting.co.kr
Park English http://www.parkenglish.com
JJ 영어교육원 http://jjee.co.kr
ESL PARK http://eslpark.com
HIHAO http://www.hihaoedu.com
GLOBAL SAY http://www.g-say.com
SEOUL ESL RECRUITING http://www.seoulesl.com
KORVIA http://www.korvia.com
ESL4KOREA http://www.esl4korea.com
PLANET PEOPLE http://www.planet-people.net
English Support Line http://www.englishsupportline.com
Ace Career Consulting http://www.acecareer.co.kr
EZE ENGLISH CONSULTING http://www.eze365.com

If you are currently working for them, or have worked for them in the past, seek legal advice.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people are listed as black, and some as red. What does it mean?
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davai!



Joined: 04 Dec 2005
Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! There I am. "Red." What can I do from abroad to get this removed?

Can anyone who speaks K send me a PM to tell me what it says.... Thanks!
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.kftra.co.kr/list.asp?idx=3

If you go there you can add your own name. Black means a problem in class, red means a problem with paperwork or credentials, maybe? (수속문제).

Am I missing something here? I remember a couple years ago you could see profiles for the teachers listed, but now I just search for the name and get age and nationality. Is there still a profile page available?
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gajackson1



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question, Draz. If anyone knows what the difference between a remark of black and a remark of red is, I'd like to know, too -

Notice how also there is only an English version of the welcome message on the English 'mirror' - but nothing else. And that the majority of the text I could see was saved as images, so it cannot be copied & pasted into an e-mail, translation program, etc.

Found this on another page there -

http://www.kftra.co.kr/list.asp?idx=1

As for me, in 10 years of being in Korea, I had one bad/shady manager. He basically ran himself out of a business after I left; I wouldn't be surprised to find the 'red' 39 year old American male Glen that pops up in the search is supposed to be me - but I can't seem to locate any more details about that 'Glen' on the site? And the only Jackson is a Brit female.

Maybe just a coincidence, but if I find out it is 'me' and came from him, there will be kimchi to pay!

G.
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gajackson1



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.kftra.co.kr/black_list.asp itself, and I get a 404 error . .
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: KFTRA Reply with quote

Someone should explain the difference between 'Austrian' & 'Australian', to the Korean website manager of KFTRA, who's possibly been watching too much Jim Carey (Dumb & Dumber)?
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John_ESL_White



Joined: 12 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the wife:

red means you've been a little bit of a problem and black means you have been a major problem.

Also, if you want more details about why you are listed, the site asks you to call.

We'll be calling Monday, posing as a hagwon, of course. Then, it's off to the lawyer to see if we can get some blood money!!!!!
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:33 am    Post subject: KFTRA Reply with quote

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Just out of curiosity I cut & pasted the Korean text into Babelfish Altavista. As I suspected, the website has been directed to close, probably either by external or internal lawyers.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:57 am    Post subject: Re: KFTRA Reply with quote

chris_J2 wrote:
Just out of curiosity I cut & pasted the Korean text into Babelfish Altavista. As I suspected, the website has been directed to close, probably either by external or internal lawyers.

No, it was probably a 'bead spread' problem. Wink
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John_ESL_White



Joined: 12 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: KFTRA Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
chris_J2 wrote:
Just out of curiosity I cut & pasted the Korean text into Babelfish Altavista. As I suspected, the website has been directed to close, probably either by external or internal lawyers.

No, it was probably a 'bead spread' problem. Wink


IS THE SITE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

I sent the webmaster an e-mail last night explaining that my name was on the black list and that I was going forward with legal action! HAHAHAHA!!!!!

awesome.

EDIT
Just checked and its still up....

http://www.kftra.co.kr/list.asp

I was excited for a minute....
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