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cazador83



Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? Reply with quote

Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.

Thanks!

edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky Smile
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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main problem with creating a thread that blacklist hagwons in Korea is that it is illegal. I would love to warn everyone about my hagwon but I am worried they will find out it is me since I am the only foreign this school has had in 3 years. It wouldn’t be hard for them to figure out who blacklisted them. Basically they can blacklist you but you can't blacklist them, welcome to Korea.
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John_ESL_White



Joined: 12 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rule of Thumb:

to save you trouble searching Dave's and other ESL sites,

stay away from

1) kindergarten hagwons . (period)

these include, but are not limited to:

-Wonderland (everyone smiles in Wonderland, except the foreign teachers)

-Kid's Club

2) Adult hagwons

-pagoda

-ybm adult

other than these, hagwons are hit and miss. Even though there are a few hundred crappy GnBs in Korea, there are probably a few good ones.

But, ALL Kindy Kid's Clubs and Wonderlands and ALL Adult YBMs and Pagodas are crap because of the split shifts.

Then you get into the Wonderlands that do not provide NHI and pension and the adult YBMs that do not provide housing (but lure the unsuspecting with misadvertisments)

Anyway, No, there is not a blacklist. Just friends telling friends. But the above mentioned are the constants; YBM adult, Pagoda-adult, Wonderland and Kid's Club.....

if you have a bad experience with a specific hagwon, post it here.

Hopefully, the next potential victim will do a search on the hagwon name before they make a mistake.

I did that with my first hagwon. Then I met the 'new employees'. They were bitchin at a local bar. I asked them why the F they didn't search Daves! They said they were in too much of a rush and didn't think of it. One of them did a runner 3 months in. The other is still bitching at the bar...... at least I tried.....
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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GnB's are probably hit-or-miss. I had two friends who worked at two different ones, and they had really easy, short jobs. One guy worked four hours a day. Another friend worked five hours a day, and only two-and-a-half hours on Fridays.
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mountainous



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? Reply with quote

cazador83 wrote:
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.

Thanks!

edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky Smile


Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/


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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also this site: http://www.teflwatch.com/

There used to be a hagwan checklist site, but I can't find it lately.
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The Grumpy Senator



Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? Reply with quote

mountainous wrote:
cazador83 wrote:
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.

Thanks!

edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky Smile


Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/ to which you may add your dirty korean hagwon.


This list has not been updated for 3 years and I know first-hand that one claim is completely bogus (teacher was fired for being drunk at school and than wanted severance pay).
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travelingfool



Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Location: Parents' basement

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John_ESL_White wrote:
Rule of Thumb:

to save you trouble searching Dave's and other ESL sites,

stay away from

1) kindergarten hagwons . (period)

these include, but are not limited to:

-Wonderland (everyone smiles in Wonderland, except the foreign teachers)

-Kid's Club

2) Adult hagwons

-pagoda

-ybm adult

other than these, hagwons are hit and miss. Even though there are a few hundred crappy GnBs in Korea, there are probably a few good ones.

But, ALL Kindy Kid's Clubs and Wonderlands and ALL Adult YBMs and Pagodas are crap because of the split shifts.

Then you get into the Wonderlands that do not provide NHI and pension and the adult YBMs that do not provide housing (but lure the unsuspecting with misadvertisments)

Anyway, No, there is not a blacklist. Just friends telling friends. But the above mentioned are the constants; YBM adult, Pagoda-adult, Wonderland and Kid's Club.....

if you have a bad experience with a specific hagwon, post it here.

Hopefully, the next potential victim will do a search on the hagwon name before they make a mistake.

I did that with my first hagwon. Then I met the 'new employees'. They were bitchin at a local bar. I asked them why the F they didn't search Daves! They said they were in too much of a rush and didn't think of it. One of them did a runner 3 months in. The other is still bitching at the bar...... at least I tried.....


Do all jobs teaching adults require split shifts (besides unis and wall street)? Seems like most of them do.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? Reply with quote

mountainous wrote:
cazador83 wrote:
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.

Thanks!

edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky Smile


Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/ to which you may add your dirty korean hagwon.


That was last updated in March, 2005.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, I just checked it and it has posts from 2008 right at the top.

I think you guys must be looking at an old site or something.

Here's how to find the new one, google "korea blacklist" .

When the page comes up go to the 2nd. seamonkey site listed.

seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~jonb/intro_warning.html

When that opens it will tell you that the site is outdated or something, but there is a link to the new site. Click on that link. This will take you to Tokyo John's home page with links to the updated Korean blacklist.

As other posters have noted, don't believe everything you read, but if a school has multiple complaints about it.... Confused


Here's another site;(but mostly China/Taiwan schools)

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another site:

http://www.eslcity.com/

Check out the Korean job forum.
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mountainous



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
mountainous wrote:
cazador83 wrote:
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.

Thanks!

edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky Smile


Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/ to which you may add your dirty korean hagwon.


That was last updated in March, 2005.



The webpage begins with a blacklisting dated Wednesday, August 27, 2008, try this url and scroll down the page: http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/

There is also a "contact" link so that you may report your hagwon....
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zeal



Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Location: South korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: There is a black list at least one here it Reply with quote

http://www.geocities.com/hagwonblacklist/list.html
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Provence wrote:
The main problem with creating a thread that blacklist hagwons in Korea is that it is illegal. I would love to warn everyone about my hagwon but I am worried they will find out it is me since I am the only foreign this school has had in 3 years. It wouldn’t be hard for them to figure out who blacklisted them. Basically they can blacklist you but you can't blacklist them, welcome to Korea.


Actually no it is not illegal to create a blacklist. If someone sees it and decides to kick up a fuss then they can press libel charges against you. But the police are not going to come and arrest you for that.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea that it would be illegal to say something bad about hagwons on a blacklist website strikes me as bogus.

There is all kinds of information on the internet and policing it seems to be mission impossible.
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