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cazador83

Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? |
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Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.
Thanks!
edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky  |
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Provence
Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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The main problem with creating a thread that blacklist hagwons in Korea is that it is illegal. I would love to warn everyone about my hagwon but I am worried they will find out it is me since I am the only foreign this school has had in 3 years. It wouldn�t be hard for them to figure out who blacklisted them. Basically they can blacklist you but you can't blacklist them, welcome to Korea. |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Rule of Thumb:
to save you trouble searching Dave's and other ESL sites,
stay away from
1) kindergarten hagwons . (period)
these include, but are not limited to:
-Wonderland (everyone smiles in Wonderland, except the foreign teachers)
-Kid's Club
2) Adult hagwons
-pagoda
-ybm adult
other than these, hagwons are hit and miss. Even though there are a few hundred crappy GnBs in Korea, there are probably a few good ones.
But, ALL Kindy Kid's Clubs and Wonderlands and ALL Adult YBMs and Pagodas are crap because of the split shifts.
Then you get into the Wonderlands that do not provide NHI and pension and the adult YBMs that do not provide housing (but lure the unsuspecting with misadvertisments)
Anyway, No, there is not a blacklist. Just friends telling friends. But the above mentioned are the constants; YBM adult, Pagoda-adult, Wonderland and Kid's Club.....
if you have a bad experience with a specific hagwon, post it here.
Hopefully, the next potential victim will do a search on the hagwon name before they make a mistake.
I did that with my first hagwon. Then I met the 'new employees'. They were bitchin at a local bar. I asked them why the F they didn't search Daves! They said they were in too much of a rush and didn't think of it. One of them did a runner 3 months in. The other is still bitching at the bar...... at least I tried..... |
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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GnB's are probably hit-or-miss. I had two friends who worked at two different ones, and they had really easy, short jobs. One guy worked four hours a day. Another friend worked five hours a day, and only two-and-a-half hours on Fridays. |
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mountainous

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? |
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cazador83 wrote: |
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.
Thanks!
edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky  |
Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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There's also this site: http://www.teflwatch.com/
There used to be a hagwan checklist site, but I can't find it lately. |
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The Grumpy Senator

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Location: Up and down the 6 line
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? |
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mountainous wrote: |
cazador83 wrote: |
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.
Thanks!
edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky  |
Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/ to which you may add your dirty korean hagwon. |
This list has not been updated for 3 years and I know first-hand that one claim is completely bogus (teacher was fired for being drunk at school and than wanted severance pay). |
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travelingfool
Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Location: Parents' basement
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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John_ESL_White wrote: |
Rule of Thumb:
to save you trouble searching Dave's and other ESL sites,
stay away from
1) kindergarten hagwons . (period)
these include, but are not limited to:
-Wonderland (everyone smiles in Wonderland, except the foreign teachers)
-Kid's Club
2) Adult hagwons
-pagoda
-ybm adult
other than these, hagwons are hit and miss. Even though there are a few hundred crappy GnBs in Korea, there are probably a few good ones.
But, ALL Kindy Kid's Clubs and Wonderlands and ALL Adult YBMs and Pagodas are crap because of the split shifts.
Then you get into the Wonderlands that do not provide NHI and pension and the adult YBMs that do not provide housing (but lure the unsuspecting with misadvertisments)
Anyway, No, there is not a blacklist. Just friends telling friends. But the above mentioned are the constants; YBM adult, Pagoda-adult, Wonderland and Kid's Club.....
if you have a bad experience with a specific hagwon, post it here.
Hopefully, the next potential victim will do a search on the hagwon name before they make a mistake.
I did that with my first hagwon. Then I met the 'new employees'. They were bitchin at a local bar. I asked them why the F they didn't search Daves! They said they were in too much of a rush and didn't think of it. One of them did a runner 3 months in. The other is still bitching at the bar...... at least I tried..... |
Do all jobs teaching adults require split shifts (besides unis and wall street)? Seems like most of them do. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? |
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mountainous wrote: |
cazador83 wrote: |
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.
Thanks!
edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky  |
Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/ to which you may add your dirty korean hagwon. |
That was last updated in March, 2005. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Funny, I just checked it and it has posts from 2008 right at the top.
I think you guys must be looking at an old site or something.
Here's how to find the new one, google "korea blacklist" .
When the page comes up go to the 2nd. seamonkey site listed.
seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~jonb/intro_warning.html
When that opens it will tell you that the site is outdated or something, but there is a link to the new site. Click on that link. This will take you to Tokyo John's home page with links to the updated Korean blacklist.
As other posters have noted, don't believe everything you read, but if a school has multiple complaints about it....
Here's another site;(but mostly China/Taiwan schools)
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Another site:
http://www.eslcity.com/
Check out the Korean job forum. |
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mountainous

Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Is there a blacklist for hagwons? |
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yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
mountainous wrote: |
cazador83 wrote: |
Is there a thread on this website or is there another website that lists all the hagwons that are blacklisted? I tried searching but the search function on that site isn't so great.
Thanks!
edit: if a thread does exist, it should be a sticky  |
Yes, Tokyo Jon maintains an excellent Korean Hagwon Blacklist http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/ to which you may add your dirty korean hagwon. |
That was last updated in March, 2005. |
The webpage begins with a blacklisting dated Wednesday, August 27, 2008, try this url and scroll down the page: http://blacklist.tokyojon.com/
There is also a "contact" link so that you may report your hagwon.... |
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zeal
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Location: South korea
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Provence wrote: |
The main problem with creating a thread that blacklist hagwons in Korea is that it is illegal. I would love to warn everyone about my hagwon but I am worried they will find out it is me since I am the only foreign this school has had in 3 years. It wouldn�t be hard for them to figure out who blacklisted them. Basically they can blacklist you but you can't blacklist them, welcome to Korea. |
Actually no it is not illegal to create a blacklist. If someone sees it and decides to kick up a fuss then they can press libel charges against you. But the police are not going to come and arrest you for that. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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The idea that it would be illegal to say something bad about hagwons on a blacklist website strikes me as bogus.
There is all kinds of information on the internet and policing it seems to be mission impossible. |
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