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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: How wealthy are the Rockefellers? |
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Much of their wealth is hidden, and a favorite topic of speculation of conspiracy theorists.
1. They own significant direct shareholdings in the oil companies descended from "Standard Oil" (Exxon-Mobil, Chevron etc.), this being the original source of their unimaginably large wealth (the founder, John D. Sr., was the richest man in history), and still likely continue to own much more through trust companies which basically gives them tax-free status. Their actual overall stock is a secret that has never been disclosed to the public.
2. They have controlling interests in at least two of the most important banks in the world: Chase Bank (afterwards Chase-Manhattan, and now JP Morgan-Chase), as well as Citibank (now Citigroup). James Stillman Rockefeller was president and chairman of Citibank in 1959, and his cousin David (the current patriarch) became the president of Chase (of which they are still the largest shareholders today). These two banks have collective assets of around $4 trillion. The Rockefellers have a large portion of direct shares, and likely much greater ownership through trusts. Again, their actual overall stock is a secret and never disclosed to the public.
(They have 3 entire floors in the GE Building filled with minions whose full time job it is to manage their family's wealth (called "Rockefeller Family and Associates", previously run by J. Richardson Dilworth) most likely involving the shifting of money around thousands of trusts and offshore accounts to ensure their privacy and to avoid paying taxes).
The current patriarch David Rockefeller (grandson of John D. Sr.), as well as being probably the single most prominent banker and industrialist in the world, has also founded and/or chaired most of the pre-eminent think tanks which dictate American policy. These include the Council on Foreign Relations (chairman), the Trilateral Commission (founder and chairman), and the Council of the Americas (founder and chairman). He is also one of the original Bilderbergers and deeply connected to the World Bank.
Most of the above is easily verifiable fact (even leaving the speculation out of it), the Rockefellers have their fingers in pretty much everything and are probably by far the most important family in America today (while being avowed globalists).
A few small chart showing Rockefellers' interconnections in finance and industry: http://www.acsa.net/interlocks.htm
I also wonder what % of the Federal Reserve bank these people own? I would love to see that audit go through, just to find out...
Here's a rather interesting account of it, in the context of Nelson Rockefeller's vice-presidency, a bit dated though: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2753 |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: |
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The puppet ex-VP Cheney getting a pat on the head from his 'real boss' at the Council of the Americas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMiMuMqXrE&feature=related
and again at the Council of Foreign Relations (where Cheney admits he lied to congress about his membership/directorship while running for election).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMiMuMqXrE&feature=related
In other words, Cheney, arguably the most powerful man in gov't during the last administration is merely a sycophantic lackey (just look at that grin he puts on) of David Rockefeller, clearly the real power in America.
I can't believe I didn't know any of this before... |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Cheney went from the CFR to CEO of halliburton. That's quite the career switch eh? From running an academic think tank to CEO of halliburton.
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Between 1987 and 1989, during his last term in Congress, Cheney was a director of the Council on Foreign Relations foreign policy organization.[47]
With the new Democratic administration under President Bill Clinton in January 1993, Cheney left the Department of Defense and joined the American Enterprise Institute. He also served a second term as a Council on Foreign Relations director from 1993 to 1995.[47] From 1995 until 2000, he served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton, a Fortune 500 company and market leader in the energy sector. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney#Private_sector_career |
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Theme
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Cheney went from the CFR to CEO of halliburton. That's quite the career switch eh? From running an academic think tank to CEO of halliburton.
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Between 1987 and 1989, during his last term in Congress, Cheney was a director of the Council on Foreign Relations foreign policy organization.[47]
With the new Democratic administration under President Bill Clinton in January 1993, Cheney left the Department of Defense and joined the American Enterprise Institute. He also served a second term as a Council on Foreign Relations director from 1993 to 1995.[47] From 1995 until 2000, he served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton, a Fortune 500 company and market leader in the energy sector. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney#Private_sector_career |
I was disappointed that Gates and Buffet chose to give their wealth away. They could have been a countering force to families like the Rockefellers who have accumulated their vast wealth over time. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| Theme wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
Cheney went from the CFR to CEO of halliburton. That's quite the career switch eh? From running an academic think tank to CEO of halliburton.
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Between 1987 and 1989, during his last term in Congress, Cheney was a director of the Council on Foreign Relations foreign policy organization.[47]
With the new Democratic administration under President Bill Clinton in January 1993, Cheney left the Department of Defense and joined the American Enterprise Institute. He also served a second term as a Council on Foreign Relations director from 1993 to 1995.[47] From 1995 until 2000, he served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton, a Fortune 500 company and market leader in the energy sector. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney#Private_sector_career |
I was disappointed that Gates and Buffet chose to give their wealth away. They could have been a countering force to families like the Rockefellers who have accumulated their vast wealth over time. |
Most people in the world (including me until recently) think Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are the richest men on earth. In fact their wealth is practically nothing, a proverbial drop in the bucket, when compared to the Rockefellers and other banker families. The Rockefellers wealth (measured in assets, mostly squirreled away into trusts, out of public scrutiny) is almost certainly in the trillions of dollars -- and yet very few people are aware of this.
Bear in mind John D. Sr. supposedly 'gave' most his wealth away long ago (same goes for steel magnate Andrew Carnagie). The robber barons know how to avoid pretty well all taxes by shifting funds around among various trusts and foundations, often under the guise of 'philanthropy'. Basically it's big sham. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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None of them are going to live to 100. People have the same restraints - the body of a rich 70 year old is the same as a body of a far less moneyed 70 year old. Each has their friends, a roof over their head, a spose, a decaying body.
Keeping all that money to oneself just means one is a greedy f^%k. |
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cangel
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Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Keeping all that money to oneself just means one is a greedy f^%k. |
This type of reasoning always frustrates me. Just because an individual has a lot of money, doesn't mean there is any less wealth out there for everyone else. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Keeping all that money to oneself just means one is a greedy f^%k. |
This type of reasoning always frustrates me. Just because an individual has a lot of money, doesn't mean there is any less wealth out there for everyone else. |
Yes it does, actually. Look up 'fractional reserve banking', figure out what it entails, and then realise that the people who own the banks control the money supply, and therefore control you and every thing else. There literally isn't enough money to go around, and that makes you a slave to money and interest.
The Rockefeller family has controlling interests in JP Morgan Chase and Citigroup, two of the preeminent financial institutions on earth, and most certainly have a huge stake in the Fed (our privately owned and controlled central bank which creates our entire money supply at interest). David Rockefeller has either founded or chaired (often both) all of the major think tanks in the US that determine government policy. He is basically the king pin par excellence and most average people have no idea about it. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Keeping all that money to oneself just means one is a greedy f^%k. |
This type of reasoning always frustrates me. Just because an individual has a lot of money, doesn't mean there is any less wealth out there for everyone else. |
Yes it does, actually. Look up 'fractional reserve banking', figure out what it entails, and then realise that the people who own the banks control the money supply, and therefore control you and every thing else. There literally isn't enough money to go around, and that makes you a slave to money and interest.
The Rockefeller family has controlling interests in JP Morgan Chase and Citigroup, two of the preeminent financial institutions on earth, and most certainly have a huge stake in the Fed (our privately owned and controlled central bank which creates our entire money supply at interest). David Rockefeller has either founded or chaired (often both) all of the major think tanks in the US that determine government policy. He is basically the king pin par excellence and most average people have no idea about it. |
Care to post some references? Sounds fascinating. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:05 am Post subject: |
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Don't get frustrated Rusty - Hey, plenty of money around. So ... what is it you are doing here? Shouldn't you be at the country club?
Go on, Mate, waltz on in there.
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| I said there's plenty of wealth in the world, not money. Money is simply one (very poor) measure of wealth. You would probably be surprized as to how many truly wealthy people even have country club memberships. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Well, if you don't have money from where does your wealth spring?
This is about Rockefellah, and the talk would be nothing other than money. I can't see what other wealth you might be refering to - as it wouldn't be universal love, or 'love thy neighbor.' |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:25 am Post subject: |
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I know what you mean about building wealth of one's own and that there is plenty to go around - that is, even all the richest B$ people in the World spreading their money around would only be a few thousand dollars for each person. But, the thing is when only a few have that kind of personal money/wealth, then there's something askew in the works - something not right about that. It is greedy - no one needs to squirrel away every next dollar once one has a billion of them. Crikey, even just a few million - after that go with charity in your life and heart. And pay your taxes so little kids can get a decent education in developed and advanced nation(s) gotten that way by putting equitable wealth back into the communities where the resources were initially taken.
This implies not using the wealth for military build up.
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Care to post some references? Sounds fascinating. |
It's all easily verifiable if you google it.
Anyway, the easiest for fractional reserve banking is just reading up on wikipedia - it's pretty straightforward.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking
As for the Rockefellers and their banks, it's actually public knowledge, just not well known. It's also impossible to say what their exact shares are, as this information is undisclosed.
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James Stillman Rockefeller was born in New York City on June 8 1902, the grandson of William Rockefeller and James Stillman. William Rockefeller was chief financial officer and co-founder in 1870, with his brother John Davison Rockefeller, of Standard Oil of Ohio, the corporation which made them one of the richest dynasties in history.
William had chosen as their principal bankers the National City Bank of New York, where his friend James Stillman was president. William became a director of the bank, and the connection was sealed by a double marriage between his and Stillman's children. With Rockefeller capital behind it, the National City Bank emerged in the mid-1890s as America's most powerful financial institution.
An elegant, forceful Wall Street aristocrat, Rockefeller drove the bank's overseas expansion, creating the platform on which his protege and successor, Walter Wriston (who shortened the name to Citibank), created a global pacesetter in the 1970s. It subsequently became Citigroup, the world's largest financial conglomerate. |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1469477/James-Stillman-Rockefeller.html
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David Rockefeller is founder, honorary chairman, and lifetime trustee of the Trilateral Commission. Mr. Rockefeller serves as honorary chairman of the Americas Society, the Council on Foreign Relations and Rockefeller University.
Mr. Rockefeller served as an officer of the Chase Manhattan Bank from 1946 to 1981. He was chairman and chief executive officer from 1969 until 1980, and continued as chairman until his retirement in 1981. He served as chairman of the bank's international advisory committee from 1981 to 1999 and remained a member of the international council of J.P. Morgan Chase until 2005. |
http://www.trilateral.org/membship/bios/dr.htm
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| Council of the Americas: HONORARY CHAIRMAN David Rockefeller |
http://coa.counciloftheamericas.org/page.php?k=bod
This is all easily verifiable. |
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