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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Ben Wagner on credit for foreigners Reply with quote

In today's Korea Herald, Ben Wagner argues that the Korean government should pressure companies and banks to extend lines of credit to foreigners.

I'm on an f-visa. But usually I side with the e-2 people. I'm not trying to kill ATEK. I don't belong to AFEK. I don't dig up dirt on ATEK members. ETC.

Nevertheless, I think it would be a ridiculous mistake to give temporary workers a line of credit. In fact, it would be a disaster--which would only hurt us long-termers.

I can see disgruntled teachers working in crapwons running up their cards and running away in order to stick it to their boss or exact revenge on xenophobic Korea.

I sincerely hope that the government doesn't fold on this matter.


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Snake Doctor



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one I gotta agree with you on Kev.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would the GOVERNMENT be giving out credit to people? No government in the world does this.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
Why would the GOVERNMENT be giving out credit to people? No government in the world does this.


I guess I worded it wrong.

What he wants is the government to pressure companies that extend credit to their citizens to also extend the same credit to non-citizens.

Sorry.
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Gnawbert



Joined: 23 Oct 2007
Location: The Internet

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think credit is a good idea, especially after the part it continues to play in destabilizing so many of the worlds banking systems. I live cash in, cash out at the moment and have one U.S. credit card in case I need a kidney transplant.

But the fact is that it's hard to even get a Debit card in Korea to use over seas is a pain. KEB hooked us up no question, but after a year banking with Hana they continued to insist it was illegal for foreigners to have that privilege.

And the whole cell phone fiasco he described is another mess. My girlfriend and I spent an hour in an SK telecom store with paid for and activated phones, ready to walk out, when the manager came down, saw our white skin and suddenly said we couldn't have contract because we were foreigners. We walked next door to LG and got a contract in less than 15 minutes.

Maybe just some consistency and education as to what is illegal and what is simply business practice would be in order, and that's where the government could help clarify. I'm so tired of hearing Koreans (even my awesome boss) insist it is illegal for foreigners to have atm cards, debit cards, cell phones, etc.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ben Wagner on credit for foreigners Reply with quote

asmith wrote:
I sincerely hope that the government doesn't fold on this matter.


As an expectant father on an F visa, I would like the right to apply for a morgage to buy an apartment. I have no problem with the bank reviewing my application based on the usual acceptance criteria. I am the sole breadwinner so I feel it is my responsibility to have the mortgage in my name.

Mortgages in this country require you to have 40% equity, actually this is about to rise to 50%. To refuse me a mortgage where I have 50% equity where I meet all of the other requirements because I am foreign is completely racist.

I have a Samsung card that is unsecured yet when I phoned them for a car loan with equity, I was told foreigners can't have car loans, would you like to increase your card limit to buy a car! At 16.9% I was able to say no and buy a used car.

I agree that some people shouldn't get credit here, but it should be based on more than the fact you are foreign.
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asylum seeker



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

F-visa yes, E-2 visa, no. Way too many idiots would rack up huge debts and then pull a midnight run without paying them back. They already do that kind of thing with utility and phone bills etc.

Here's a good example of what would happen:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=161495
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Credit cards should be banned EVERYWHERE. ATM Banks cards should be the only means of purchasing anything (aside from cash). Maybe, a credit card that you have to call and get it activated for a short time to pay for an emergency bill. Dunnooo
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they are talking about the one year visa people here. If some one has been here a while, have money in the bank, investments or own property shouldn't they have the right to borrow money. Not lending money simply because you are a foreigner is racist no matter how you look at it (xenophobic I know but to me they are two different words for the same thing)
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emeliu wrote:
Credit cards should be banned EVERYWHERE. ATM Banks cards should be the only means of purchasing anything (aside from cash). Maybe, a credit card that you have to call and get it activated for a short time to pay for an emergency bill. Dunnooo


Are you being serious? Credit cards are a great product for 99% of people who use them. Should we ban cars? They are far more dangerous than credit cards.

I vote to ban you!
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
I don't think they are talking about the one year visa people here. If some one has been here a while, have money in the bank, investments or own property shouldn't they have the right to borrow money. Not lending money simply because you are a foreigner is racist no matter how you look at it (xenophobic I know but to me they are two different words for the same thing)


That's exactly what he is talking about. In his example he had a one year visa that expired in three months and the phone company said "No." Duh. His whole argument of racisms, which I agree is here as it is everywhere, falls apart because the difficulties that he uses as examples are not applied along racial or national lines. They differences that he points to are differences in visas not race or nationality.
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Rusty Shackleford



Joined: 08 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask yourself this. Would you lend money to someone you had never met before, who was definitely leaving the country within the year and had no credit record in your country?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Ben Wagner on credit for foreigners Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
asmith wrote:
I sincerely hope that the government doesn't fold on this matter.


As an expectant father on an F visa, I would like the right to apply for a morgage to buy an apartment. I have no problem with the bank reviewing my application based on the usual acceptance criteria. I am the sole breadwinner so I feel it is my responsibility to have the mortgage in my name.

Mortgages in this country require you to have 40% equity, actually this is about to rise to 50%. To refuse me a mortgage where I have 50% equity where I meet all of the other requirements because I am foreign is completely racist.

I have a Samsung card that is unsecured yet when I phoned them for a car loan with equity, I was told foreigners can't have car loans, would you like to increase your card limit to buy a car! At 16.9% I was able to say no and buy a used car.

I agree that some people shouldn't get credit here, but it should be based on more than the fact you are foreign.


I think there's usually a large difference between E and F visa holders.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though we are debating the matter, I think it's important to keep in mind that the Korea Herald is really a crap newspaper. Matty Lame-o puts me to sleep every day. I prefer the racebating that takes place in the Korea Times.
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The_Source



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Shackleford wrote:
Credit cards are a great product for 99% of people who use them.


I would pay a lot of money to see you and Dave Ramsey in an all-out, no-holds-barred, steel cage match.

http://www.daveramsey.com/the_truth_about/credit_card_debt_3478.html.cfm
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