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Anti-English Spectrum's Lee Eun-ung interviewed
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plato's republic



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:10 am    Post subject: Anti-English Spectrum's Lee Eun-ung interviewed Reply with quote

SBS radio recently interviewed Lee Eun-ung of the Anti-English Spectrum hate group. Well worth a read. I don't have the time to rip apart his comments right now, but feel free to have a go. It's got more holes in it than a piece of Swiss cheese.

Courtesy of the blog, Gusts of Popular Feeling:

http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2010/07/sbs-radio-interviews-aess-lee-eun-ung.html
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok here is the full interview (just to make it more accessible):

Anchor Seo Du-won:
Last year (a) native speaking teacher posted nude pictures of (his) students on the internet causing a large problem and now not long ago a native speaking teacher who molested students at an elementary school in Daegu fled abroad. With unqualified native speaking teachers openly teaching children in schools and hagwons and causing problems such as sex crimes, we are in a situation where urgent measures are needed immediately. Why authorities are unable to block such native speaking teachers from entering the country is not understood. Lee Eun-ung, a spokesperson for the Citizenís Movement to Expel Illegal Teachers of Foreign Languages is on the phone, and will talk about the present situation and measures to deal with it. Good morning Mr. Lee.

Lee Eun-ung:
Good morning.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
Just how serious is the present situation of native speaking teacher sex crime?

Lee Eun-ung:
Iíve looked into the seriousness of the native speaking teacher sex crime situation. There are a wide range of issues. The places where they commit sex crimes have included most places of education but also have not been well exposed. Also, the approach they take to committing sex crimes is to disguise its form as being educational, and the reason they can commit sex crimes is that the minors donít easily feel it to be a sex crime. And when it comes to targets of sex crime, they donít distinguish between preschoolers, male or female school students. For example, one native speaking teacher played a game where the students touched his genitals. Itís quite dangerous.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
Native speaking teachers donít just teach children but also adults, and come into contact with a broad range of people. Are there many cases of crime targeting children?

Lee Eun-ung:
There are many sex crimes involving children, and we should be concerned about the fact that sex crimes against children are not exposed until they are uncovered. This is because unqualified native speaking teachers get a child to come to a closed off place or blind spot to commit their sex crime but as I said before the reason the sex crime occurs is because they use an educational method. So they are not easily uncovered. As I pointed out before there are a great many affected by this issue, but those who are victimized come from a variety of social strata. The professions of the people who have reported incidents of children suffered sex crimes have included people from various social strata such as teachers and public servants, and when you understand the number of reports we get of children suffering sex crimes at the hands of unqualified native speaking teachers, you can realize just how widespread crimes against children are.


Anchor Seo Du-won:
Just now you mentioned unqualified native speaking teachers. Youíve said that people who are just foreigners who speak English generally well can become a teacher, and if they are to be employed, qualified people should be chosen. How many unqualified native speaking teachers have come to Korea?

Lee Eun-ung:
In truth there are no accurate national statistics, but if we just look at statistics and include legal teachers, we can estimate there are 50,000. There are 21,000 people on E-2 visas. In addition, if we exclude F2 and F4 teachers, we realize that the rest add up to at least ten or twenty thousand illegal teachers, though we donít have accurate statistics.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
So many native speaking teachers are young?

Lee Eun-ung:
Yes, according to a job report about native speaking teachers most of the English teachers in Korea are in their 20s. Those in their 20s and 30s make up 90% of the total.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
How is it that native speaking teachers without qualifications come to Korea. Don't they need a visa?

Lee Eun-ung:
That's right. There are qualifications to become an English teacher. Have you studied for 4 years at a university in an English-speaking country? With that simple qualification, many unqualified teachers have had the opportunity to come to Korea. Also, in Korea because of English education and the rage for English anyone who is foreign and can speak English can reap the benefits of this and receive many favors and pleasures, and for this reason many problems have occurred.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
Yes, Iíve been told that in order to be issued the conversation instruction visa, the E-2 visa, only those who have a 4 year degree from a university in an English speaking country can receive them.

Lee Eun-ung:
That's right.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
However, the Ministry of Justice has for three years required a visa screening for the purpose of language education including a criminal record check, but it seems this hasnít been effective?

Lee Eun-ung:
It does have an effect, only, as a safety net, itís not 100% effective. Of the foreign teachers we have uncovered, sex crimes have been committed by teachers who are working here legally. Especially in one case, a professor at a university in Daejeon had an FBI criminal record check and the governmentís safety net did not filter him out. Rather, we received a tip and reported him and he was able to be removed. Also, a foreign teacher had a document for his E-2 visa that included a health and drug check. One teacher who considered this in itself to be a violation of human rights turned out to have been stripped of qualifications in his home country due to a sexual problem. To this extent itís serious.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
So a teacherís criminal record should be accurately confirmed before [deciding] one is qualified enough to be a teacher.

Lee Eun-ung:
Yes. Also with criminal records, the problem is that instead of a federal criminal record, a record from a state or county can be submitted . For example, if teacher A commits a crime in state A and moves to state B, a criminal record for state B can be submitted which will not contain the crime, and the teacher can come to Korea. Also, a problem with the system is that if someone changes their name then crimes cannot be verified and for this reason itís not possible to have a 100% effective safety net.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
So I think itís not easy to catch unqualified teachers. Spokesperson Lee Eun-ungís site, ďThe Citizenís Movement to Expel Illegal Teachers of Foreign LanguagesĒ is the only one to be seen.

Lee Eun-ung:
Yes, weíre the only one, and we specialize in this.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
How involved are you in such activities?

Lee Eun-ung:
We have 20,000 members. Through the National Assembly and media organizations we inform people of the seriousness of the situation and make many legal efforts to push for native speaker verification system legislation.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
As of this year youíve been at this for 6 years. In that time how many native speaking teachers have you caused to be expelled?

Lee Eun-ung:
Our work has resulted in the expulsion, arrests, deportation or fining of 120 people. In regards to systemic and legal problems, we have made great efforts to have health, drug and crime checks done for the native speaking teacher visa.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
So how do you discover unqualified teachers? If you receive many complaints, do you enter into an investigation like a private detective?

Lee Eun-ung:
First, when we receive a tip, our role is to follow up on the tip and confirm the existence of the relevant hagwon and the teacherís identity. As for the rest, if I or our groupís members canít speak directly with the institution I will look to the other members for assistance, and with their cooperation we will come to the truth.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
I have heard that you once caught a native speaking teacher for drugs after a 150-day stakeout. How was that possible?

Lee Eun-ung:
As I just told you before, when we receive a tip, we first request assistance from our members. Most informers are reluctant to meet with members directly. So in this process, to first make contact I receive a tip and confirm that the tip is credible and from there we cooperate with members. Actually, the reason the personís face and residence were known to us was absolutely because of this process requiring cooperation, which took about 150 days to catch the drug teacher.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
Really incredible. So of course when it comes time to catch the unqualified native speaking teacher, you receive help from the police?

Lee Eun-ung:
Of course. We cannot infringe on the policeís jurisdiction because we should obey social and legal norms. Our part in the arrest process and such is only to cooperate.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
Those who are caught are not all deported. What about that?

Lee Eun-ung:
That is extremely difficult. For example, suppose the person who was caught in Daegu was not married. If Koreans didnít want him deported, he would not be deported. To give an actual example, one person who committed a sex crime against a minor and uttered death threats in Canada could not be deported because he was on an F-2 Visa.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
Whatís an F2 visa?

Lee Eun-ung:
People who have married Koreans and become the spouse of a citizen. If you look at such cases, itís extremely difficult to punish and deport such people.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
So in such a case, those who are arrested can in the end only be fined.

Lee Eun-ung:
Yes.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
This problem requires more continued attention so as to diligently devise a way to solve it. Thank you for talking with us today.

Lee Eun-ung:
Yes, thank you.

Anchor Seo Du-won:
This has been Lee Eun-ung, spokesperson for The Citizenís Movement to Expel Illegal Teachers of Foreign Languages.
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Mr. Pink



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the bias of that interview:

Let's see:

There are 50,000 "English Teachers" according to this guy, but he cannot verify that number. (So he's pulling numbers out of a hat.)

His group has caught 120 people...

That is .24% (not even 1%) of the total number of teachers he claims.

I would be willing to bet that the amount of sexual abuse cases reported from Korean teachers in public/private schools and hawgwons is more than .24% of the total number of teachers. What are they doing about THOSE offenders?
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy is a proper tool, but I have to agree with some of his views regarding unqualified teachers. Some of the elementary spelling and grammar mistakes I've seen on this board alone is embarrassing.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
I love the bias of that interview:

Let's see:

There are 50,000 "English Teachers" according to this guy, but he cannot verify that number. (So he's pulling numbers out of a hat.)

His group has caught 120 people...

That is .24% (not even 1%) of the total number of teachers he claims.

I would be willing to bet that the amount of sexual abuse cases reported from Korean teachers in public/private schools and hawgwons is more than .24% of the total number of teachers. What are they doing about THOSE offenders?


120 over a period of 6 years. So that'd be 120 out of 200,000 to 300,000 teachers (presuming a certain turn-over).
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Junior



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:

120 over a period of 6 years. So that'd be 120 out of 200,000 to 300,000 teachers (presuming a certain turn-over).


And thats 120 cases of various 'crimes". Probably about 99% of those concern people doing privates, with the odd pot-smoker making up the rest.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Anchor Seo Du-won:
Last year (a) native speaking teacher posted nude pictures of (his) students on the internet

I never heard about this case. Is it BS? Anyone got a link?

cj1976 wrote:
This guy is a proper tool, but I have to agree with some of his views regarding unqualified teachers. Some of the elementary spelling and grammar mistakes I've seen on this board alone is embarrassing.

And it is neither as embarrassing nor ironic as making a grammar error in the process of complaining about them.

I know, I know. You just wanted to see if anyone would catch it, right? Rolling Eyes
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:


cj1976 wrote:
This guy is a proper tool, but I have to agree with some of his views regarding unqualified teachers. Some of the elementary spelling and grammar mistakes I've seen on this board alone is embarrassing.

And it is neither as embarrassing nor ironic as making a grammar error in the process of complaining about them.

I know, I know. You just wanted to see if anyone would catch it, right? Rolling Eyes


Haha! Awesome
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plato's republic



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Lee starts off by saying that there are 50,000 teachers in the ROK. Where does he get that figure from? Then he jumps from that figure of 50,000 to claim that at least 10,000 to 20,000 of those are illegal. Again, stats?

He also talks quite a bit about 'unqualified' teachers. What exactly does he mean by that term? Those on E2 visas who do not possess any teaching qualification? Or something else?

It's also pretty appalling to see that the interviewer didn't even call him out on anything he actually said. He just seemed to take his word for everything. Anyone with an inch of intelligence can see that this clown doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plato's republic wrote:
Mr. Lee starts off by saying that there are 50,000 teachers in the ROK. Where does he get that figure from? Then he jumps from that figure of 50,000 to claim that at least 10,000 to 20,000 of those are illegal. Again, stats?


We know that 23000 E2 visas were granted in 2009. 4000 of those were for public schools, the rest for private schools and hogwons.
That leaves 27000 unaccounted for. Maybe he thinks they were parachuted in over the border?

Quote:
He also talks quite a bit about 'unqualified' teachers. What exactly does he mean by that term? Those on E2 visas who do not possess any teaching qualification? Or something else?

Obviously Korea defines what the qualification for the job is, and they have decided that a Bachelors degree is sufficient. Thus anyone who is on an E2 is qualified.
If he means those people don't have formal teaching certificates..then its up to the Korean government to make that a requirement obviously.

Quote:
It's also pretty appalling to see that the interviewer didn't even call him out on anything he actually said.

I think thats the Korean way. You're not supposed to cause loss of face to the person you're interviewing.

A perfect system for misinformation to thrive.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone up for doing a 150 day stakeout of him? I bet he can get busted faster than 150 days.
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supernick



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The group has 20.000 members, and they have only found 120 teachers involved in some sort of illegal acts. To me that sounds like 20.000 people with a big "L" stamped on their foreheads.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

supernick wrote:
The group has 20.000 members, and they have only found 120 teachers involved in some sort of illegal acts. To me that sounds like 20.000 people with a big "L" stamped on their foreheads.


20,000 are the people registered at the site I think. I guarantee that 90% of those have since gone back to playing Starcraft or getting drunk.

I bet the actual in person membership is far lower.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's nothing but a muddled, course, uneducated, hate-mongering individual. Wow another racist!!
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be worse.

He could have indoctrinated them to the exent that they all wear uniforms with KK on their arm bands for Korean Klan.

They could also be placing them outside every institure in Korea and harrashing you as you go to work.

Though, he is not making life in Korea any easier with his accusations, and its becoming harder every year to put up with crap here.
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