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Epik_Teacher
Joined: 28 Apr 2010
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: 20+ Year Old Petty Theft Will Disqualify You For E2 Visa? |
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A church group visited one of the schools I work at, a private Presbyterian school. A couple of the visitors were interested in working in Korea and asked me about it. I told them about the new requirements, like the FBI check.
One guy who was interested in teaching said that he had a petty theft conviction from the late 1980's. Basically, it involved walking out of a restaurant without paying (while drunk). He was evidently, so soused he could barely walk and the cops got him. He was taken to the city hoosegow and pled guilty in court. He was given a small fine and credit for the weekend he spent in jail. Said he'd never been in any trouble since.
I'm not sure if something that small will show up on an FBI check or if something that old would disqualify you for a job in Korea. Any comments? |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Just a guess, but if he hasn't applied for a pardon, I think it'd still be on his record. |
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lalartu
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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not sure about the US criminal check, but Canadian criminal checks that Korea requests only check the last 10 years of activity |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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"Let thieves teach!"
"Have pity on the criminally prosecuted."
"He was convicted but he was innocent!"
"The past is the past."
"Let anybody with a degree and a pulse in!"
Reasons to give a flying fig about this. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: Re: 20+ Year Old Petty Theft Will Disqualify You For E2 Visa |
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Epik_Teacher wrote: |
A church group visited one of the schools I work at, a private Presbyterian school. A couple of the visitors were interested in working in Korea and asked me about it. I told them about the new requirements, like the FBI check.
One guy who was interested in teaching said that he had a petty theft conviction from the late 1980's. Basically, it involved walking out of a restaurant without paying (while drunk). He was evidently, so soused he could barely walk and the cops got him. He was taken to the city hoosegow and pled guilty in court. He was given a small fine and credit for the weekend he spent in jail. Said he'd never been in any trouble since.
I'm not sure if something that small will show up on an FBI check or if something that old would disqualify you for a job in Korea. Any comments? |
The only way to know for sure is to order the CBC.
If there is a positive finding then he will be precluded from obtaining an E2 visa.
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Do esponged records show up in these kinds of checks? |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Illysook wrote: |
Do esponged records show up in these kinds of checks? |
If I'm not mistaken, I believe FBI checks even show arrests. Perhaps calling the FBI would work? |
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Foxkorea
Joined: 01 Dec 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: Actually, everything shows up |
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Arrests, convictions, citations, even detentions. That means that even if you were questioned by a police officer, and a police report were filed, it appears on your CBC. Koren immigration will most likely be unable to make the fine distinctions. In the case of your friend, he'd be best off getting this blemish expunged from his record. That's a time-consuming, although not necessarily expensive, process. But a good idea-a not just for the Cracker Jack jobs in Korea. |
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greene
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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an ncic FBI check does not show all of that stuff, necessarily. it depends on the state (and some counties never even report to the ncic) |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Louis VI wrote: |
"Let thieves teach!"
"Have pity on the criminally prosecuted."
"He was convicted but he was innocent!"
"The past is the past."
"Let anybody with a degree and a pulse in!"
Reasons to give a flying fig about this. |
If every employer thought like this the reoffending rates would surely, and with some justification, rise exponentially. People change; accept it. |
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iwillteachyouenglish
Joined: 07 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: |
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He doesn't need an FBI check unless he is going to arrive after Jan 1st, 2011. A state check will probably only show open records. How a state defines open records may vary. I think generally if the probation was completed successfully and the event was many years ago and not a felony conviction, then it probably will not show up. This guy sounds really old though, and I wonder if he is really going to be fun for the kids to spend time with? |
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greene
Joined: 11 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: |
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a state check only shows open records eh?
when did dave's esl cafe become yahoo answers?
do you have any evidence for that or do you just kind of pull it out of the part of the brain where you make up facts for no reason?
a state record check will check and see if local jurisdictions reported a crime to the state repository. different states have different rules about what they report but i've never seen any info about only 'open' records coming up. a state rap sheet is going to be more accurate than the FBI check because not all records that are sent to the state make it through to the FBI, although some local jurisdictions enter that information directly, themselves (so who knows, in some cases i guess i could be wrong about that
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and secondly... oh yeah... he must be like 40. gee golly the kids will have to look at his wrinkles! horrible! keep him out!
omg omg omg |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I remember the principal in elementary school saying that you can even get record for something as simple as stealing a Christmas lightbulb outside someone's home.
Not paying his bill because he walked out drunk? Geez. Those are some anal police officers and/or restaurant owners. I've done that before and come back and:
"Hey! You didn't pay your bill last week! You were very drunk!!!"
Me: "Really?"
Them: "Yes. Pay your bill!!!"
Me: "Ok."
Frig. |
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kingasiatic88
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: |
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unless that happened when he was ~6 years old, his age might preclude him from getting a job, no? |
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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WadRUG'naDoo wrote: |
I remember the principal in elementary school saying that you can even get record for something as simple as stealing a Christmas lightbulb outside someone's home.
Not paying his bill because he walked out drunk? Geez. Those are some anal police officers and/or restaurant owners. I've done that before and come back and:
"Hey! You didn't pay your bill last week! You were very drunk!!!"
Me: "Really?"
Them: "Yes. Pay your bill!!!"
Me: "Ok."
Frig. |
She's a weird one, eh New rules whenever. Feck, it's nuts. |
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