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LL Moonmanhead



Joined: 21 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:26 am    Post subject: New govt figures on NETs taking off Reply with quote

More than half of the native-speaking English teachers in South Korea quit after six months or so on the job, challenging the effectiveness of language immersion programs installed nationwide, a report said Wednesday.

The report submitted by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology to the parliament showed 57.6 percent of the native instructors ended their contract after six months last year, up from 46 percent in 2008. The rate already reached 66.1 percent as of end of July this year.

About 22 percent of them quit to study or because they find other jobs, while an average of 15.4 percent left without prior notice, the report said.

To save spending on overseas education and create a better English-speaking environment, elementary, middle and high schools have been hiring native English speakers to assist Korean teachers in classrooms. According to the ministrys data, about 80 percent of schools nationwide have assigned language assistant teachers this year, a sharp surge compared to 48 percent in 2007.

The report also revealed wide gaps in the dropout rate of the English-speaking teachers, the size of their manpower pool and the number of certified staff among South Koreas provinces.

The dropout rate was highest in the southern industrial city of Ulsan at 90 percent, while it was below average in Seoul and adjacent metropolitan areas.

The student-teacher ratio also widely differed, ranging from 1,552 students per instructor in Daegu to 778 to 1 in Seoul.

In some regions, less than 30 percent of hired native English speakers had certification from their home country, the report said.


Courtesy of Yonhap News.
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Re: New govt figures on NETs taking off Reply with quote

Living in Ulsan, I find it hard to believe that 90% of people leave at the six month mark or before. Perhaps it's correct, it just seems like a ridiculously high number. It implies that nine out of ten people that I know would leave after six months.

From what I've seen and experienced (within public schools, anway) many people are staying for a second and third year (such as myself).
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About 22 percent of them quit to study or because they find other jobs, while an average of 15.4 percent left without prior notice, the report said.


I love how they alwasy leave out that many teacher's left becaue they were being treated poorly by employer/co-workers, screwed out of what is owed them contractually, working conditions/accomodation were terrible, etc.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously? I haven't known a single person who has quit their job.
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBuds wrote:
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About 22 percent of them quit to study or because they find other jobs, while an average of 15.4 percent left without prior notice, the report said.


I love how they alwasy leave out that many teacher's left becaue they were being treated poorly by employer/co-workers, screwed out of what is owed them contractually, working conditions/accomodation were terrible, etc.


I know what you are saying but I didn't read it the same way as you. I read it as being more the fault of the emnployer because whether the choice to leave was completely free will or the person was somehow compelled to leave by bad treatment, that is a terrible stat for the people who are in charge of the hiring. They must be choosing the wrong people, selecting them wrong, or not treating them right, or all of the above.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How incredibly predictable. Laughing
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These numbers don't seem right at all. Grossly inflated to make us look bad, IMO.
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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: New govt figures on NETs taking off Reply with quote

LL Moonmanhead wrote:


To save spending on overseas education and create a better English-speaking environment, elementary, middle and high schools have been hiring native English speakers to assist Korean teachers in classrooms. .


I love this. Assist Korean Teachers in the classrooms?

I worked for SMOE for 3 years. Had a great school and great co-teachers.

Did I assist the Korean teacher? No, I prepared all the lessons and made up all the games.

Did I encourage them to be involved with the teaching? Most definitely. I wanted them to teach as much as they felt comfortable with. We worked together and I supported them as much as they supported me.

Now, back on topic. I was a district rep for SMOE and at one point there were about 50 NT's working in elementary schools in the district I was. In all my time there I never heard anyone leaving their contract before it was up. Therefore, I question the figures that they are quoting.

Just quickly reading the article, I think it is someone complaining the cost of bringing NT's here and then over inflating some statistics regarding costs and saying that NT's are leaving before their contract is up. Thus, the financial setup cost is wasted due to teachers leaving early.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: New govt figures on NETs taking off Reply with quote

LL Moonmanhead wrote:

In some regions, less than 30 percent of hired native English speakers had certification from their home country, the report said.
Courtesy of Yonhap News.


Last time I looked, certification was not necessary to become a public school teacher in Korea. One of the reasons I came here.
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Xylox



Joined: 09 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay day is coming up, which means its almost time to pull a runner. I'm sure me peacing out will punch up that percentage up 9 or 10 points.
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And "quit" could also include "fired."

Anyway, if more people are quitting, it doesn't look good on the employers.

I wonder if teachers are being treated more poorly now with more and more of them coming.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These statistics could be used to can the govt. G.E.T. programs. Many of us expect funding for these programs to dry up - sooner or later.

15% runners. I'm not surprised. I switched schools this year - and experienced many of the problems I've read about on daves (but never experienced myself). Frankly, given the unhelpful treatment from the POE, and blind indifference from my school - I should have run.

But Korea's archaic visa system (E2's are basically indentured) meant it wasn't financially viable for me to just walk away from this school. I've got the K experience to tough it out - but I can see why others just get up and go.

Is it me - or is there a definite hardening of attitudes towards GET's these days? At my previous schools I was always treated as a welcome guest - and valued teacher - nothing was a problem - everything was smoothed so I could ajust and get on with teaching. Any problems I did encounter always came at the very end of the contract. However. that's definitely not the case now (for me, at least).

Given my experience this year, I'm surprised the runner percentage isn't much higher.
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ippy



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hang on, which is it? 34% or 58%?
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: New govt figures on NETs taking off Reply with quote

sigmundsmith wrote:
LL Moonmanhead wrote:


To save spending on overseas education and create a better English-speaking environment, elementary, middle and high schools have been hiring native English speakers to assist Korean teachers in classrooms. .


I love this. Assist Korean Teachers in the classrooms?

I worked for SMOE for 3 years. Had a great school and great co-teachers.

Did I assist the Korean teacher? No, I prepared all the lessons and made up all the games.


exactly what i wanted to pick at. i've worked for 2 different public school boards for 3 years, and never have i assisted the korean teacher. hell, i'm lucky if they assist me.

if the school board actually wants to make effective use of native speakers in their public schools, the obvious first step (which they should've done ages ago) would be to do surprise visits to classes with a native speaker to see what is actually going on. and no, those open classes don't count; most of them are staged anyway. this would be their first step to make effective changes to the system that they're spending so much money on already.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: New govt figures on NETs taking off Reply with quote

nomad-ish wrote:



if the school board actually wants to make effective use of native speakers in their public schools, the obvious first step (which they should've done ages ago) would be to do surprise visits to classes with a native speaker to see what is actually going on. and no, those open classes don't count; most of them are staged anyway. this would be their first step to make effective changes to the system that they're spending so much money on already.


I just had my open class, and the POE didn't even bother to turn up. I guess that sums up how much they value English conversation classes in rural schools.
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