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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Grand Prix Review Reply with quote

Well, the first Korean GP has come and gone. Some notes.

It was a mess organizationally.

The good
English speaking staff at info booths

The bad
They didn't have any information.
You don't have to be fluent in English to say 'I'm sorry' or 'I don't know'.

The good
I was able to get tickets to the race.

The bad
The seats I paid for didn't exist.

The bad
Holding fans outside the gates Saturday morning until about 20 minutes before morning practice. If you've never been to a race, once you get through the gate you still have a long walk to your seats. If they exist. If they don't then you just pretend to wall to your seats.

The ugly
They held fans outside the gate because the computers were down and they couldn't use their scanners to scan the tickets. Grand Prixs have been run since long before computers, and they did so successfully. The ticket takers had eyes. Couldn't they just look at the tickets?

The bad
Not enough transportation from the circuit. Getting in was easy, getting out was very difficult.

The ugly
Line jumping for buses. This was mostly jackass foreigners. You know who you are.

The dirty
When organizers promised the track would be ready, they meant EXACTLY that. The track was the only thing ready. The rain turned most public areas in our section into muddy swamps. Think Woodstock without the great music and nudity.

The bad
ONE, I repeat, ONE food kiosk in our section selling barely edible hamburgers. I could have lived without the tent displaying traditional models and gone for more food and drink. They did have a mobile Family Mart on a truck if you wanted small food. You need more dining options than that at an all day event.

The good
3 day ticket holders allowed into pits to see cars and drivers. Even the cheapest thee day ticket holders. In Montreal you're not even allowed to make eye contact with the drivers if you sit in the cheap seats.

The bad
No one at information knew where the autograph session would be held.

The very ugly
Drunken foreigners shouting slurs at every team as they walked down pit row. Including racial slurs.


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Poker



Joined: 16 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinda sad. I was planning on going. Glad I didn't after reading this. Will go to next year's event, hope it improves.
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tefain



Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the organizers will naturally see what worked and what didn't and make improvements.

As for the jackass foreigners, that just seems to go with being in Korea. Mad
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for informative post, OP!!
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker wrote:
Kinda sad. I was planning on going. Glad I didn't after reading this. Will go to next year's event, hope it improves.


I've been here too long to be hopeful. Mytake is this:

Now that the race is over, all work on the circuit will cease. The organizers will figure (We've got a year until the next one..."

Then, next October 10th or so, someone will go "Holy kimchi! The race is in two week. We had better get to work."

And they won't be ready then either.

Sounds far fetched? Not really. The IndyCar race that was supposed to be held in Korea had to be cancelled THREE YEARS IN A ROW because the curcuit wasn't ready.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I got to see F1 racing for the first time in 20 years. So that was a good thing. Whether you're a Ferrari fan or not, there's something special about seeing those cars. You can look at any photo of a grand prix over the last 60 years (or so) and pick out the Ferrari in each photo. Teams and sponosrs come and go, but Ferrari is always there.

As far as "first race" bugs to be ironed out, I have been to the first Molson Indy in Toronto and the fisrt F1 in Phoenix, AZ and both of those races were leagues ahead of the effort put into the Korean GP.

I hope they at least pave the pedestrian walkways....what a mess that was.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ONE, I repeat, ONE food kiosk in our section selling barely edible hamburgers. I could have lived without the tent displaying traditional models and gone for more food and drink. They did have a mobile Family Mart on a truck if you wanted small food. You need more dining options than that at an all day event.


At least there were hamburgers.....at the World Cup games in Korea in 2002 there was nothing but nasty Korean wieners, stone cold. Wrapped in plastic. No mustard. Some inedible corn chips and dried squid.

The Koreans should be getting good at big sporting events by now....they've had an Olympics, a World Cup and now a Grand Prix.......but they still haven't got the idea that people want to snack on something hot and tasty at these events.
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
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ONE, I repeat, ONE food kiosk in our section selling barely edible hamburgers. I could have lived without the tent displaying traditional models and gone for more food and drink. They did have a mobile Family Mart on a truck if you wanted small food. You need more dining options than that at an all day event.


At least there were hamburgers.....at the World Cup games in Korea in 2002 there was nothing but nasty Korean wieners, stone cold. Wrapped in plastic. No mustard. Some inedible corn chips and dried squid.

The Koreans should be getting good at big sporting events by now....they've had an Olympics, a World Cup and now a Grand Prix.......but they still haven't got the idea that people want to snack on something hot and tasty at these events.


They have an Olympics and a World Cup under their belt, so how could this have gone so badly?

My thoughts are that some of the people running F1 are just as crooked as the race organizers here. Everyone smiled and looked the other way as the envelopes were passed. Some of the international press can't believe the circuit "passed" inspection. The surface wasn't properly crowned, so rainwater collected on the circuit instead of running off. The high-speed blind entrance to the pits was just dangerous. The race almost finished in the dark. In fact, it was nightime when the winners took to the podium. There were no checks and balances. Perhaps (and I'm not an expert) the IOC and FIFA don't put up with such shenanigans?
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balzor



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second the OP's takes on the races and I add some of my own.
1. I paid for a cheap seat and because they were not even safe to sit on I got upgraded to seat that were 300,000 more than my tickets. That was nice.
The track was really nice and Qualifying was a lot of fun to see, too.

2. The mud everywhere sucked. The port-a-potties were disgusting and why would you have a temporary bathroom at a permanent track/stadium. STUPID!! This was real bad.

I'm Hungry! Where is the food? Is there any better way to make people appreciate Korean culture than to have a DDoek stand or a rameon booth out there to feed the hungry, shivering masses? Bad form Korea FamilyMart doesn't count as real food.

3. Korea did an average job at making their own citizens interested, but a horrible one at making foreigners interested. For example, the various booths showing traditional Korean crafts, well the 2 that I saw were dinky and boring. The booths showing the Jeollanam-do fruits and herbs (BORING) was completely in Korean. Even if I wanted to learn about the local fruit, I have to know the language. Bad Form Korea.

4. Where are the fan games and booths? Put something like a Midway or some kind of games in. Give us some Electronic gadgets to play with or some cool displays about the building of the track. Better yet, Why not a mural showing me the process of building the track.
BTW, I don't give a pile of dog crap about some no name band that plays after the race is over and everyone is trying to leave. again, STUPID attempt at fan entertainment



TL:DR version: Racing=fun, seat upgrade=good/ No food=bad, no facilities=bad, no fun outside race time=bad, no know Korean=bad
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mellinger



Joined: 21 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really think Korea needs to take some tips from Singapore on how to run a proper F1 Event.

I was flying through Singapore early this month on the same weekend that the F1 race was going to be happening down by the waterfront. Even from just walking through the airport, I knew that an F1 race was going to be happening. They had tons of stuff in the airport promoting the event, like a remote control race track, where people in the airport could race them around and miscellaneous other stuff promoting it. They also had huge signs up everywhere, letting people know about it.

Now, entertainment. Singapore had a huge line-up every day of big name entertainment. I wasn't necessarily excited about some of the bands they had there, but it was some big names and ultimately it drew some huge crowds. In fact, each day, I heard the entire event was sold out. And that it was sold out weeks or even months in advance.

I didn't get a chance to go down by the waterfront to see what kind of food they had there, but knowing that it was Singapore, I'm sure they had a good amount of tasty food to come by.

I realize this is Korea's first time hosting and that Singapore has hosted it for a while, but I really think they need to take some tips from the way Singapore has hosted it. Singapore makes millions each year from hosting the event. It gives the country great publicity and draws foreigners in.

I'm just afraid that by Korea doing this 50%, that the bad press will just hurt the country more than if they hadn't hosted it in the first place.

Hopefully, like others said, they can improve for next year.
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saram_



Joined: 13 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't go down but will seriously consider next year..

Some points from the commentators on Star Sports..

They were saying how that the whole Yeongam area is only beginning its construction now.. In other words..they built the track first and then building a city around it. It will be completed in time for next year. There will be a yachting area etc there.. (Kind of mad how they built the track first and then the city after instead of bringing the track to a city)
Guess its typical of some of the Korean new cities etc that they plan..

Anyway, I think it all means that next year will certainly be better..

Another point.. was that as some have said..the track may have been just about completed but that was all that was ready. The construction guys were working through the night on Thur, Fri etc to fill in the large muddy areas with concrete... Obviously they didn't get it all done in time, I guess due to bad planning. The rain too was the first that fell since the asphalt was put down and the timing was kind of disastrous (cos so muddy) but again that was a planning issue surely.

They also noted that the track itself was a real good racing track that was tricky but one of the better ones on the circuit..


I reckon the Koreans will be shook up a bit by the whole thing and they will get most things right by next year..
I am sure next year will be an altogether better experience..
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saram_ wrote:
I reckon the Koreans will be shook up a bit by the whole thing and they will get most things right by next year..
I am sure next year will be an altogether better experience..


I hope so. I have been here long enough not to be confident that the organizers will learn from their mistakes, but I do have my fingers crossed.

Actually, a good test would be to go down to the F3000 race they are having there next month and seeing how much work they have done by then. I can't make it that weekend...though I am thinking about it.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankfully there were no crashes, were there?

And, btw, how was the race? Was it close at the finish? Who won?
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
Thankfully there were no crashes, were there?

And, btw, how was the race? Was it close at the finish? Who won?


It wasn't really very close at the end. Alonso won after inheriting the lead from Vettel when Vettel's engine let go with about 10 laps to go. Alonso most likely never would've caught Vettel had his car lasted the whole race. The Red Bull cars were FAST.

For real racing, check out:

F1 Battles Gilles Villeneuve V's Didier Pironi San Marino 1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua70zL52pt0

Arnoux Villeneuve 1979 France
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDtn8QnpFg
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else get battered by the free tickets? Free tickets for foreigners, but then when they arrived, they decided not to allow it, and turn them back home.
I went for these tickets too but I didn't go for that day so I didn't waste my time. Just my effort in applying.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They had years to prepare for this event and this was the best they could do?

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2927568

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After the conclusion of the Formula One race in Yeongam, South Jeolla, local officials were patting themselves on the back - while also admitting to some embarrassing screw-ups.

�I would like to thank the people of South Jeolla, the government, event personnel and volunteers for all the support,� said Governor Park Joon-yung.

�We have successfully held the F1 event by building one of the finest circuits in the world in South Jeolla, which is one of the most underdeveloped areas in Korea,� he said. �Although everything didn�t go as planned, I want you to think of this as a long term investment for the future.

�No country can hold such an event perfectly from the start, so we will go step by step and improve things in the coming years,� Park added.
The event was plagued by ticketing chaos, clueless volunteers, shoddy infrastructure and a shortage of hotels in the area that forced employees of Mercedes-Benz to sleep in love motel rooms for which they were charged $310 per night. (The normal rate is 30,000 to 50,000 won, or $26.80 to $44.70.)

Entrepreneur Park Min-young, 28, traveled all the way from Busan to see the race, and he had a representative experience.

�I waited for the shuttle at the station starting at 1 p.m.,� he said. �But the shuttle, which was supposed to come every 5 to 10 minutes, did not come until 2:30. When I came to the circuit at 2:50 and tried to get in, I was denied access and not one person knew where I should ask to get answers.

�I bought two tickets over 300,000 won each and people next to me with a baby bought four Silver tickets over 1 million won each,� Park said.

�Nobody from KAVO [event organizer Korea Auto Valley Operation] came to the entrance or explained anything to us, and I couldn�t believe the fact that there was nowhere to get information or vent my frustrations.�

Park said he wanted an apology from the organizers, but hasn�t been given one.

Another problem with tickets was that the local government gave thousands of free passes to university students to make sure the stands were filled. The local government also required its officials to sell tickets to their family and friends.

�Since the event is fairly unknown in Korea, I did ask for some cooperation in terms of tickets, and I am truly sorry for all the inconveniences that have been caused,� said Governor Park. �Also, there were some confusion and dissonance as the organizing committee was run simultaneously with us and KAVO. We will look into all wrong procedures and improve on these matters.�

The facilities left a lot to be desired. The spectators stands were rickety, like those at a high school sports field, and KAVO was forced to close certain sections while continuing construction on stands during the three days of practices and races.

Most of the parking areas and pedestrian walks were unpaved, creating huge amounts of dust for the first two days and large mud puddles on the day that it rained during the Grand Prix. After sunset, most circuit areas had no lighting, leaving pedestrians in the pitch black.

Volunteers who were supposed to help visitors rarely knew the answers to questions. Very few spoke any language other than Korean, and few knew where certain places at the event were.

KAVO said that organizing will improve in the coming years.

�This circuit was a great accomplishment for us, as what would usually take about five years in Europe took us just over three years to accomplish,� said Kim Jae-ho, the general manager of KAVO�s marketing department.

�We know that there were many problems with the accommodations and site surroundings, but a large hotel is already planned to be built nearby, and companies have shown interest.�

Kim added, �The accommodations will not be the same at next year�s event.�

�During that time, we will do our best to make motorsports in Korea an event that the whole family can enjoy, like that of Nascar in the United States,� Kim said.

Governor Park said that in the next two weeks, F1 related facilities will be disassembled and taken away in advance of scheduled motorsporting events starting early November. South Jeolla said that between Nov. 26 and 28, the F3 event, the gateway to entering F1, will be held.


By Jung Seung-hyun [[email protected]]
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