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crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject:

suwonsi wrote:

I have two questions about this new F-2-& or F2-S visa

1. Does studying abroad count as Foreign Experience which consists of 5 points. I have done my MS and Phd in two different places other than Korea and my native place. I have only studied abroad , and not worked. My first job is in Korea.

2. I have finished Korean Levels 1 and 2 in my company, but have no certification. Each course was about 8 weeks, 6 hrs per week. Do I need to take a Test to present my Korean score ?

If I can get 10 points on Korean and 5 points on international experience, I reach 81 points.

1. No, last I checked you had to work as a specialist. Studying isn't working as a specialist.

2. Yes you need a proof of level as noted above.

IlIlNine

Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject:

suwonsi wrote:

You'll have to take the TOPIK test privately (separately) to get the certificate.

Studying abroad counts in that you have the degrees, but nothing else.

Drew345

Joined: 24 May 2005

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject:

They're still pretty harsh against older folks. -10 points for being over 50! Seems odd that some countries offer retirement visas to attract retired people, but Korea is anti-older. Thailand has a retirement visa that you cannot get until you are over 50, but Korea is -10 points for being over 50! Anyway...just my thoughts.

UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject:

Drew345 wrote:

They're still pretty harsh against older folks. -10 points for being over 50! Seems odd that some countries offer retirement visas to attract retired people, but Korea is anti-older. Thailand has a retirement visa that you cannot get until you are over 50, but Korea is -10 points for being over 50! Anyway...just my thoughts.

I have the impression that these visas are to help professionals with skills Korea needs. If they wanted to give out retirement visas I guess it would be under a different quota. It doesn't seem like Korea is trying to focus on being a retirement country, and I wouldn't blame them. Korea's strength is it's industry, not its great retirement weather. Therefore it seems quite natural to ask for people in their 30ties who has some experience, but many years left to work. Even for medical tourism it seems like they want the patients to leave the country quite soon afterwards.

Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:05 am Post subject:

UknowsI wrote:

It doesn't seem like Korea is trying to focus on being a retirement country

No need to focus on it. It will be a retirement country anyway in 20 years unless Korean families start having babies.

Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:38 am Post subject:

crossmr wrote:

suwonsi wrote:

1. No, last I checked you had to work as a specialist. Studying isn't working as a specialist.

2. Yes you need a proof of level as noted above.

I wonder. Do internships count as international specialist experience?

crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:15 am Post subject:

Konglishman wrote:

crossmr wrote:

suwonsi wrote:

1. No, last I checked you had to work as a specialist. Studying isn't working as a specialist.

2. Yes you need a proof of level as noted above.

I wonder. Do internships count as international specialist experience?

Why would they?
an intern is hardly a specialist.
A specialist, as I might understand it, would be say working as a professional (engineer, doctor, consultant in certain disciplines, etc) overseas.

TexasChicken

Joined: 05 Jul 2007

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: International Experience

Does my 2 years experience as both operations and production manager of a manufacturing facility in America make me a specialist? The company is on the forbes 200 sooner or later should cross into forbes 100. I bring an MBA to Korea too. I know pretty generic.

crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: International Experience

TexasChicken wrote:

Does my 2 years experience as both operations and production manager of a manufacturing facility in America make me a specialist? The company is on the forbes 200 sooner or later should cross into forbes 100. I bring an MBA to Korea too. I know pretty generic.

This was the first thing said here that I think might come in the ballpark. You'd have to contact immigration and ask them directly as they haven't published a full guideline on that point.

UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject:

crossmr wrote:

Why would they?
an intern is hardly a specialist.
A specialist, as I might understand it, would be say working as a professional (engineer, doctor, consultant in certain disciplines, etc) overseas.

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

UknowsI wrote:

It doesn't seem like Korea is trying to focus on being a retirement country

No need to focus on it. It will be a retirement country anyway in 20 years unless Korean families start having babies.

I guess I should have specified "retirement country for foreigners"...

Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:23 am Post subject:

UknowsI wrote:

crossmr wrote:

Why would they?
an intern is hardly a specialist.
A specialist, as I might understand it, would be say working as a professional (engineer, doctor, consultant in certain disciplines, etc) overseas.

I have worked as an engineering intern developing microchips while having a master's degree in engineering. I was more qualified than any other person in my team to do my part, so in a sense I was a specialist and an intern at the same time. As you can see, the answer to the question isn't so trivial. I don't know the answer, but I would guess that it doesn't count.

I agree that the answer to my question is not necessarily trivial. In my case although I did not have a master's degree yet at the times in question, I have done scientific research as an intern in four different internships. In each case, using my computer programming skills, I modeled physical phenomena of interest.

Similarly, is working as a Post Doc working or studying?

I personally do not consider a post doc as someone who is "studying". After all, post docs are paid to do research, and in the scientific world, it is not uncommon for post docs to do much of the hard work. And of course, in some cases, they end up sharing a Nobel Prize with the professors that they worked (such as the case of the 2010 Nobel Prize in Physics). So, frankly, I would be very surprised if work as a post doc was not considered to be specialist experience.

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

UknowsI wrote:

It doesn't seem like Korea is trying to focus on being a retirement country

No need to focus on it. It will be a retirement country anyway in 20 years unless Korean families start having babies.

I guess I should have specified "retirement country for foreigners"...

raewon

Joined: 16 Jun 2009

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: link to immigration (point system)

Could someone please post a link to where the new guidelines for the point system are posted on the immigration web site? (Korean or English) I've found them in the past, but for some reason or another, I can't find them now. Thanks.

diver

Joined: 16 Jun 2003

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:24 am Post subject:

IlIlNine wrote:

I'm documenting my process here:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=192090&highlight=

I have most of the requirements, I'm just waiting for the results of my TOPIK test (out tomorrow!) to finally have all of the supporting documentation I need to apply.

So, theoretically, I can have it by the end of the month. I'll keep everyone posted as to how it goes.

You might get it just in time to be eligible for the draft Smile

crossmr

Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:39 am Post subject:

diver wrote:

IlIlNine wrote:

You might get it just in time to be eligible for the draft Smile

An f2 is a resident visa, not citizenship.

rooster_2006

Joined: 14 Oct 2007

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Update on the F2-S visa Point System

Konglishman wrote:

I was telling a foreign friend of mine (who is fluent in Korean) about this new type of F2 visa in which it is possible to qualify for the F2 through a point system. After googling it (in order to show him the point system), I discovered that there has been an update (as of last September) to the point system. Now, it is actually a lot easier (although still difficult) to qualify for the F2-S visa.

In my case, due to my age, education, income, previous experience, etc., it seems that I currently have 62 or 64 points (depending on what immigration considers to be professional working experience outside of Korea). And if I did the social integration program, that would bring me up to 72 or 74 points which is only 8 or 6 points shy of the required minimum of 80 points. So, I suppose that I will have to start seriously studying Korean to get beyond my current survival level up to the basic commication level. Or I could do some more than 2 years of volunteer work and my income will likely be higher by then...

So, in fact, for people with a master's degree (such as myself), it may even be possible to qualify without knowing any Korean (albeit with some difficulty).

For English teachers (such as Tomato) who are fairly strong in their Korean ability, the F2-S visa might already be attainable. To give an example, someone with a bachelor's degree and with an intermediate level of Korean ability at an average job, would easily qualify as their point total would likely add up in the following way.

25 (between ages of 30 to 34) + 26 (bachelor's degree) + 15 (Korean ability rated as communication possible on familiar topics) + 5 (income < 35 million Won) + 10 (Social Integration Program; might as well do it)
= a grand total of 81

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mN-jIkddFMw/TJeYpaY8SXI/AAAAAAAACco/Py--NtwsQNE/s1600/PointSystem1.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mN-jIkddFMw/TJeYrg_otiI/AAAAAAAACcw/ep-2pl4-Fcw/s1600/PointSystem2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mN-jIkddFMw/TJeYtUGrm0I/AAAAAAAACc4/CtlR3qMWruY/s1600/PointSystem3.jpg

http://chersurvivingkorea.blogspot.com/2010/09/info-107-f2-visa-for-professionals.html

WOW, THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!

In my case:
Age: 23 points (age 24)
Academic career: 26 points (bachelor's degree complete)
Korean proficiency: 20 points (graduated from Yonsei University KLI)
Income: 5 points (I'm a chronic under-earner)
Study in Korea: 1 point (language training at YSKLI)
= 75 points

HOLY CRAP!!! I'M ONLY FIVE POINTS AWAY!!!

Although honestly, I refuse to believe it's this easy... I lived in Korea for five years and it was NEVER that easy...

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