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Skyblue



Joined: 02 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SinclairLondon wrote:
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p.s I'm not too familiar with the rules of "Kick boxing" in China, but I thought pushing people out of the ring was illegal, or it disqualifies the person pushed out? Tim's nickname was "Sumo" because that was his technique.


I believe you get points for pushing the other guy out, no disqualification.

And when you're 20 lbs heavier, that's what you do, despite everyone being aghast at it.

Then you put it on your CV 10 years later and claim to be a world champion. I think he's also a world champion flamenco dancer or something too. One word: D-I-C-K.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: The Four Hour Body Reply with quote

Kepler wrote:
A lot of it is based on years of experiments by the author himself.


So does that mean they're not peer-reviewed?
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: The Four Hour Body Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
Kepler wrote:
A lot of it is based on years of experiments by the author himself.


So does that mean they're not peer-reviewed?

Was Charles Darwin's research peer-reviewed? Recently an article appeared in The New Yorker about the decline effect. As the years pass by it has become harder and harder to reproduce the results of a lot of earlier research in many fields:

"But now all sorts of well-established, multiply confirmed findings have started to look increasingly uncertain. Itís as if our facts are losing their truth. This phenomenon doesnít yet have an official name, but itís occurring across a wide range of fields, from psychology to ecology."
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer

Some possible explanations:
"According to the New Yorker reportóread in full via Amazonís Kindleónumerous fields are suffering from the decline effect. The New Yorker highlights the following issues with the scientific method.

" * Replicating an experiment and getting the exact same findings is difficult. Why? Regression to the mean. As an experiment is repeated statistical flukes get tossed out.
* The peer review process is flawed. Peer review is ultimately tilted to positive results.
* Publication bias. Journals and scientists aim for being statistically significant and this leads everyone aiming for positive results. We donít want to see a null result. Researchers are 'significance chasing,' or interpreting data so it passes the statistical test of significance.
* Money. For instance, pharmaceutical companies have little interest in publishing results that arenít favorable. Validating a hypothesis is all the more gratifying if thereís financial gain to be made.
* Selective reporting. The New Yorker notes that selective reporting isnít fraud, itís just that researchers may make subtle omissions and misperceptions as they try and explain their results. One example cited was the testing of acupuncture. In the West, acupuncture effectiveness is questioned. Not surprisingly, studies so acupunctureís effectiveness isnít all that great. In the East, the effectiveness is deemed higher. Scientists look for ways to confirm their preferred hypothesis."
http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/is-the-scientific-method-seriously-flawed/12947/

Why was Charles Darwin able to make so much progress? He didn't have to worry about obtaining funding for his research. He was born rich. He didn't have to deal with a party funding his research who might have a financial interest in obtaining a particular result. He didn't have to worry about obtaining a statistically significant result to increase his chances of getting published. What is good for a scientist's career in today's world may not be good for science itself. What one finds out through their own experimentation and observation is not necessarily less valid than what one reads in peer-reviewed journals by people with PhD's.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a reason why these kinds of books keep selling and P.T. Barnum said it best. "There's a sucker born every minute."

I wish there was a miraculous flesh-toning, youth-renewing set of formulae, but in the meantime I will simply attempt to keep this middle-aged blob of protoplasm moving on a regular basis while controlling the urge to stuff my face full of those pseudo-antidepressants called cookies.

"It's really hard to resist a cookie." (My Dad)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: The Four Hour Body Reply with quote

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Some of the Mothers Said



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOOOOOO!
I can't believe it! No matter what those double blind, peer reviewed sciencey, testy things say, Power bands AREN'T a crock!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/23/3100270.htm
It's a conspiracy to turn off my Hologram I tells ya. Just look at my thread yesterday!
Damn thing still doesn't work...I feel my power failin..g...
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately the math and biology don't go together.

34 lbs of muscle in 28 days equates to more than a pound of muscle per DAY. Muscle simply does not build that fast. Even with anabolics the body simply can't grow that rapidly. Sure in 28 days he could possibly look better but he didn't gain 34 lbs of muscle in that time.
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And these beautiful women???

They used to be men!
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim's newest book, The Four Hour Chef, was released this week. It's not just about cooking. It's about accelerated learning.

"WHAT IF YOU COULD BECOME WORLD-CLASS IN ANYTHING IN 6 MONTHS OR LESS?

"The 4-Hour Chef isnít just a cookbook. Itís a choose-your-own-adventure guide to the world of rapid learning."
www.amazon.com/The-4-Hour-Chef

Forgot the ten thousand hour rule that you learned about in Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers. You can become an outlier in only six months. Tim will show you how you can make the same progress in months that most people take years to make. I'm part way through book. So far I've read about how Tim attained fluency in Japanese after one year as a foreign exchange student. After his year in Japan he scored better on a Japanese language test than a Japanese friend of his. He later attained fluency in Mandarin Chinese in six months, learned German in three months, and mastered Spanish in eight weeks. He set a world record in tango after only practicing for four months. A lot of his ideas make sense and are well worth the price of the book even if you don't always get the same results that he did.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Michael Phelps is a physical freak of nature. No other swimmer in history has come close to his accomplishments. Did Michael Phelps practice more? Was his drive just better?


Isn't that the guy who talks a lot about visualization? I believe that's one of the big things people ignore when trying to be good at something.

Right now I'm visualizing beer going down my throat. Cool
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silkhighway



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's that easy. Everyone can become world-class at something in just six months. Just ask anyone at the top of their field and they'll all tell you the same thing. They were bored one Saturday afternoon and decided to get involved in their something on a whim. And just six months later, they were on par with the best in the world.

Sarcasm aside, I believe most people can learn how to do most things in 6 months, and they can be relatively good at them if they persist.However world class? Yeah right.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The before and after pictures appear to be intentionally deceptive. The camera wasn't at the same distance from the guy. Did he also grow six inches in that month? The lighting it different, he's pasty white in the first picture and all spray-tanned in the second...

I used to be a good 30 pounds heavier than I am now when I was training for mass only. It wouldn't be hard for me to put that weight back on. So, when I see before and after pictures like this, the first thing that comes to mind is that the guy was fit, let himself go, then trained again and got back into shape. It's easy to do. Then, you write a book (maybe even hire a ghostwriter) and use deceptive before and after pics as proof that the program works.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a crock of shit.
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:

I used to be a good 30 pounds heavier than I am now when I was training for mass only. It wouldn't be hard for me to put that weight back on. So, when I see before and after pictures like this, the first thing that comes to mind is that the guy was fit, let himself go, then trained again and got back into shape. It's easy to do. Then, you write a book (maybe even hire a ghostwriter) and use deceptive before and after pics as proof that the program works.

This blogger came to a similar conclusion:

"#1 The Easiest Way to Gain Muscle is to Regain Muscle

"Gaining a pound of muscle is hard work. It is far easier to let an existing pound of muscle atrophy and then regain it. Anyone that has had an arm or leg in cast knows this to be true....

"Timís trick was Mickey Rourkeís trick. Gain a bunch of muscle. Let your muscles atrophy. Take some before photos at a ridiculously low weight and then regain the muscle quickly. The problem with this chapter is that most of the readers are not in a position to regain what they never gained in the first place. This is why Neil Strauss gained 10 pounds of muscle in his 4 weeks and not 34 pounds. Ten pounds is commendable and it is more realistic for an untrained lifter that is working out hard and eating like crazy."
http://criticalmas.com/2011/01/how-tim-ferriss-really-gained-34-pounds-of-muscle-in-28-days/
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