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jazzmaster



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:06 pm    Post subject: Islam thread deleted? Reply with quote

Am I missing it or has the thread been deleted?
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been deleted. The Mods usually don't like it when a deleted discussion is reopened on another thread.

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jazzmaster



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
It's been deleted. The Mods usually don't it when a deleted discussion is reopened on another thread.


I don't understand. It was deleted because someone posted something similar in an existing thread?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Religious Discussion threads are on very thin ice. As soon as it veers into the validity of the religion itself or bashing takes place, it gets shut down.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave's ESL is used by teachers in the Middle East and it would be nice if it continued to be available in that area, specifically Saudi Arabia.
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jazzmaster



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they're scared of upsetting the Muslims?
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The terms of service for this website that we al agreed to when we signed up prohibits threads discussing religion, that is why it was removed.
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jazzmaster



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But there's a thread about the Catholic Church directly below this thread?
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need to use a question mark when making a statement. The Catholic church is a political institution as well as a religious one, and most of the discussion is in these terms. Other than that you may take it up with the moderators, but in doing so you may get banned. Why not go and write comments under all the educational youtube videos you are watching.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The policy on religion threads is posted at the top of the Current Events Forum: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=169450&sid=4a987a77776bedbd2170c68704976ebf

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This is what the TOS says:

20."Religion focused threads that involve bashing, flaming, trolling and endless bickering are not wanted or permitted here. Such threads will be deleted at the discretion of a Moderator." That means you can post a thread that relates to a news event, but if it degenerates or if the thread title appears to focus on bashing, then we'll take action


Surely, you can see how a thread on Pope Francis's declaration may pass while a thread attacking Islam without relation to a current event may become deleted.
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geldedgoat



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Surely, you can see how a thread on Pope Francis's declaration may pass while a thread attacking Islam without relation to a current event may become deleted.

Which would be fine were it not for just about every post from The Cosmic Hum, more than half of those from Scorpion, and even a few from GF.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a fine line, and I'm not going to speak for the Mods, but I'd imagine some ways to explore the topic without violating the TOS are out there.

Possible ways might be-

Discussing political parties/figures, such as Islamist ones, in Middle Eastern countries and the policies they are promoting.

Discussing an article/book and the validity of the author's claims with a focus on the research, methodology, and conclusions.

A specific current event and keeping things solely in the context of that event. What are the causes? What are the possible outcomes?

Ways to get the thread shut down- Bash the religion. Bash the people. Make hardline, absolute claims. Make strong value judgments. Use racial stereotypes.
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jazzmaster



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
The policy on religion threads is posted at the top of the Current Events Forum: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=169450&sid=4a987a77776bedbd2170c68704976ebf

Quote:
This is what the TOS says:

20."Religion focused threads that involve bashing, flaming, trolling and endless bickering are not wanted or permitted here. Such threads will be deleted at the discretion of a Moderator." That means you can post a thread that relates to a news event, but if it degenerates or if the thread title appears to focus on bashing, then we'll take action


Surely, you can see how a thread on Pope Francis's declaration may pass while a thread attacking Islam without relation to a current event may become deleted.


I didn't see any bashing of Islam on the deleted thread anymore than I see bashing of Catholicism on the existing thread.
Islam seems like a touchy subject, not only on these boards but everywhere. It seems to me that people are scared to discuss it.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazzmaster wrote:
Kuros wrote:
The policy on religion threads is posted at the top of the Current Events Forum: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=169450&sid=4a987a77776bedbd2170c68704976ebf

Quote:
This is what the TOS says:

20."Religion focused threads that involve bashing, flaming, trolling and endless bickering are not wanted or permitted here. Such threads will be deleted at the discretion of a Moderator." That means you can post a thread that relates to a news event, but if it degenerates or if the thread title appears to focus on bashing, then we'll take action


Surely, you can see how a thread on Pope Francis's declaration may pass while a thread attacking Islam without relation to a current event may become deleted.


I didn't see any bashing of Islam on the deleted thread anymore than I see bashing of Catholicism on the existing thread.
Islam seems like a touchy subject, not only on these boards but everywhere. It seems to me that people are scared to discuss it.


Islam tends to get intertwined with racism as well.

It doesn't help that people start to blend Arabs and Muslims together. "Blow up Iran and all those other Arabs". Rolling Eyes

The people discussing things often are hyper-ignorant of the various religions, ethnic groups, and their histories in the Islamic-area world.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

Islam tends to get intertwined with racism as well.

It doesn't help that people start to blend Arabs and Muslims together. "Blow up Iran and all those other Arabs". Rolling Eyes


This goes both ways though: the same people who are more than happy to attack more traditional European religions will often push back against "Islamophobia." Bashing religion is fine until it's a perceived "non-white" religion, then suddenly the race-hysteria begins.

-Edit: fixed spelling of "religions."


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