|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
|
 Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| brento1138 wrote: |
| Diets should simply be "eating normally" according to the US food pyramid (yeah, remember, the one we learned in elementary school?!). |
I'm not a Paleo eater (I couldn't possibly give up bread, dark chocolate, or dairy-based protein powders), but the US food pyramid is so much the product of interest group lobbying, not actual nutrition, that no one should pay much attention to it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| That food pyramid (ahem lobbying) that we learned in elementary school has been changed in the past decade. It still isn't that great. It's very grain heavy. For me to eat that much, I'd have to go to the gym for 4 hours every day. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Dr. Mercola has some good information, but he's also got a lot of information that's much closer to conspiracy theory than it is to science. It appears that he's trying to scare people into buying the supplements he sells, which when I looked at them a few years ago, struck me as quite pricey. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| atwood wrote: |
Dr. Mercola has some good information, but he's also got a lot of information that's much closer to conspiracy theory than it is to science. It appears that he's trying to scare people into buying the supplements he sells, which when I looked at them a few years ago, struck me as quite pricey. |
I go there for the info which I think is excellent. Regarding buying his products, I mostly get good info from him, but buy elsewhere, primarily some of the companies featured at iHerb.com. (BYW, you can get a $5 discount on your 1st purchase from iHerb.com if you use this discount code: COC920).
However, I'd rather get whey from him because his is made from organic raw milk from pasture-fed cows. Don't think I've seen that formulation elsewhere. Have you?
A good example of something I learned from him (actually a German expert doctor that he was interviewing) was about some detrimental ingredients that are sometimes found in supplements. That was magnesium stearate (same as chalk board chalk) which forms a biofilm in the gut that blocks the absorption of many supplements. That didn't cause me to buy his particular formulation of curcumin (from turmeric) but it did make me decide to buy a different brand than the one I orginally purchased. Very useful and thorough information on his site. Sure, he wants people to buy his products, but that shouldn't cause anyone to stop thinking critically and using the good info available there.
Cheers.
Last edited by R. S. Refugee on Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:11 am; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for the link. I use Nordic Naturals cod liver oil twice a week in the winter. The rest of the year, it's once a week at most. It's not the fanciest stuff, but the lemon-flavored one is decent and I feel great. It could be placebo, but I don't overdo it, so it can't hurt.
I try to get the vitamin (most vitamins and minerals, really) through actual food, whenever possible, of course. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
I try to get the vitamin (most vitamins and minerals, really) through actual food, whenever possible, of course. |
Me too, but, as most of us know, that's not possible with Vitamin D. They don't call it the "Sunshine Vitamin" for nothing. ;->) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| One can get a lot of it through eating seafood. It is possible, but it's fishy. I prefer a spoon of lemon-flavored oil once or twice a week. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
spacechase
Joined: 21 Nov 2009
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I was on Paleo over a year ago in the US, where access to grass-fed beef was easy.
Where do you buy your grass-fed beef here?
Any all the way RAW paleo (raw beef, etc.)? I wanna know where you get THAT meat.
I'm gonna give iherb.com a shot I think, for some vitamins, etc. Does anyone use iCoop (http://www.icoop.or.kr) for organic produce? Going to see if I can get into that as well. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Pemmican: beef, venison, or other large game is dehydrated (under 110 degrees F) until it's extremely dry. Then you run it through the food processor with dehydrated fruit (I liked the cherry variety), a bit of honey is added (optional but great), and rendered fat is added. It's usually rolled into balls or shaped into bars. I've had it a few times. It's what the Native Americans ate. It's very high in nutrients, so you only need to eat a little.
I made it once (it took an AGE), and ordered it every once in a while. I used it mainly when camping and hiking for more than a week, because it was lightweight. Of course I packed marshmallows, chocolate, and graham crackers for s'mores, cans of beans, hard tack, and a few other things, but it was a good supplemental source of nutrients on long treks.
I've no idea where to find it pre made here, though. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
Dr. Mercola has some good information, but he's also got a lot of information that's much closer to conspiracy theory than it is to science. It appears that he's trying to scare people into buying the supplements he sells, which when I looked at them a few years ago, struck me as quite pricey. |
I go there for the info which I think is excellent. Regarding buying his products, I mostly get good info from him, but buy elsewhere, primarily some of the companies featured at iHerb.com. (BYW, you can get a $5 discount on your 1st purchase from iHerb.com if you use this discount code: COC920).
However, I'd rather get whey from him because his is made from organic raw milk from pasture-fed cows. Don't think I've seen that formulation elsewhere. Have you?
A good example of something I learned from him (actually a German expert doctor that he was interviewing) was about some detrimental ingredients that are sometimes found in supplements. That was magnesium stearate (same as chalk board chalk) which forms a biofilm in the gut that blocks the absorption of many supplements. That didn't cause me to buy his particular formulation of curcumin (from turmeric) but it did make me decide to buy a different brand than the one I orginally purchased. Very useful and thorough information on his site. Sure, he wants people to buy his products, but that shouldn't cause anyone to stop thinking critically and using the good info available there.
Cheers. |
I agree but I think one of the problems with relying on a doctor/salesman is his customers aren't thinking critically. They've bought into (literally) what he's saying/selling. Also there's a real flavor of the month aspect to his site.
As for vitamin D, when I clicked on your link to verify it was the same Dr. Mercola, the first post was about how the sun could be robbing you of vitamin D. I didn't read it because it required me to log-in, but if that's not a scare tactic...
Magnesium stearate is a good example. Unless you're taking large quantities it's completely safe. Again, this is probably marketing and one way companies that don't use it can differentiate themselves and justify charging more. There's a lot of hyperbole--95% of supplements contain it according to one source, which is an obvious exaggeration.
As for the absorption issue it's used in naproxen formulas, and I know my body's absorbing that because it works. None of the vitamins I take has it because I buy from good companies. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
| atwood wrote: |
...As for vitamin D, when I clicked on your link to verify it was the same Dr. Mercola, the first post was about how the sun could be robbing you of vitamin D. I didn't read it because it required me to log-in, but if that's not a scare tactic... |
No offense intended, but, if as you say, you didn't read it, that leaves you in a less favorable position to comment on whether his point was alarmist or not than if you had read it. All of his headlines are intended to generate interest and draw you into reading the story. Not an unusual technique for anyone who's trying to pique ones interest and get them to read the article. Every headline writer uses it (if they want to stay employed).
The article (as best I recall) had to do with the action of UV A compared to UV B, which one stimulates Vitamin D production, the changes that occurred historically with this situation when the Industrial Revolution came around and made it possible for the masses to have glass windows rather than just a cut out window with maybe a clothe over it. One of these UV rays - A - can penetrate window glass, one cannot. One stimulates Vitamin D production (that's UV B), while the other one has, to some degree, a productive counter-balancing effect to inhibit excessive production in natural circumstances and so natural production does not work best when sunlight is coming through a window. In fact, it doesn't work at all in that situation. But that counter-balancing effect of UV A does keep working in that situation even though there is no Vitamin D production taking place to counter-balance. And that was the very informative point he was making. It was a very interesting article.
BTW,I have a junk mail email address that I can use when a site insists that I give them my email address in order to read the article. It was very interesting and well worth reading. I learned something that clearly was very useful to know.
Cheers.
PS. Nothing about reading the article made me feel the need to buy anything from Dr. Mercola. ;->)
Last edited by R. S. Refugee on Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
| brento1138 wrote: |
| Remember too that the caveman / hunter gatherer also burned like 1500 more calories per day than your average office working modern human. |
Dr Steffan Lindberg spent years studying and living with the Kitavan tribe near Borneo and found that they expend about 200 more calories per day than the average Swede. But degenerative diseases are completely absent from the Kitavan population (heart disease, stroke, diabetes, obesity, autoimmune diseases, etc). Completely absent. Although there was some obesity and pre-diabetes present in Kitavans who had moved away from Kitava to a city and then had recently come back to the island.
The book is published by Wiley: http://as.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1405197714.html
| Quote: |
| Diets should simply be "eating normally" according to the US food pyramid (yeah, remember, the one we learned in elementary school?!). |
The Food Pyramid is not desirable if one seeks optimal health. And it has changed every time it came out. Are you saying to eat the one from elementary school or the newly released one? Because as the research comes out they incorporate more and more things that are in line with evolutionary nutrition.
Last edited by chungbukdo on Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:03 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
| spacechase wrote: |
Any all the way RAW paleo (raw beef, etc.)? I wanna know where you get THAT meat.
. |
There are a lot of raw beef restaurants here in Korea. It's called Yuk-hwae. You'll get a pile of raw beef with some raw eggs and raw squid topping it off.
Of course you know there are a tonne of places that serve raw seafood.
We've been cooking for hundreds of thousands of years though. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
...As for vitamin D, when I clicked on your link to verify it was the same Dr. Mercola, the first post was about how the sun could be robbing you of vitamin D. I didn't read it because it required me to log-in, but if that's not a scare tactic... |
No offense intended, but, if as you say, you didn't read it, that leaves you in a less favorable position to comment on whether his point was alarmist or not than if you had read it. All of his headlines are intended to generate interest and draw you into reading the story. Not an unusual technique for anyone who's trying to pique ones interest and get them to read the article. Every headline writer uses it (if they want to stay employed).
The article (as best I recall) had to do with the action of UV A compared to UV B, which one stimulates Vitamin D production, the changes that occurred historically with this situation when the Industrial Revolution came around and made it possible for the masses to have glass windows rather than just a cut out window with maybe a clothe over it. One of these UV rays - A - can penetrate window glass, one cannot. One stimulates Vitamin D production (that's UV B), while the other one has, to some degree, a productive counter-balancing effect to inhibit excessive production in natural circumstances and so natural production does not work best when sunlight is coming through a window. In fact, it doesn't work at all in that situation. But that counter-balancing effect of UV A does keep working in that situation even though there is no Vitamin D production taking place to counter-balance. And that was the very informative point he was making. It was a very interesting article.
BTW,I have a junk mail email address that I can use when a site insists that I give them my email address in order to read the article. It was very interesting and well worth reading. I learned something that clearly was very useful to know.
Cheers.
PS. Nothing about reading the article made me feel the need to buy anything from Dr. Mercola. ;->) |
But you are taking Vit D supplements already.
Thanks for the summary of the article. Interesting, maybe, but mostly common sense. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
