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gaelsano
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Ha! Typical. My last school in gyeonggi spent like 30 million won on an english zone then ran out of money for teachers salaries as i was leaving.
Back in my neck of the woods in new york state all the public schools laid off all teachers with less than 3 yrs of history at their respective schools. ALL of them. But the school budget vote had an option to squeeze more taxes out of the working class to buy new busses (not hybrids mind you just "newer"). No option for "dont screw over our schools and faculty". My mOther worked as one districts accountant (volunteer) one year recently. Tbe bastards are sitting on 8 million dollars of a rainy day fund that hasnt been touched in 20 years.
Gepik is so dumb. The other, "less desirable" provinces entice NETs with higher salaries and make do with only one computer lab. Gepik blows its budget on signs in konglishee (thanks for effectively using your NET!!!!!) and can barely Pay korean or foreign faculty. Screw gepik. And screw smoe for crap wages in the most expensive city in korea. Screw cohibas rule too. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| gaelsano wrote: |
| My last school in gyeonggi spent like 30 million won on an english zone then ran out of money for teachers salaries as i was leaving. |
My school blew 60M on it. The company doing the refurbishment must have laughed all the way to the bank because from what I saw their work could not have been worth that amount. There was some re-plastering and re-painting but that was about it. The formica panelling was broken within weeks.
It seems like a lot of people took their cut from the golden english goose. 3 years back gyeonngi was awash with govt money.
Its almost as if the FT was just a necessary inconvenience on the whole gravy train. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| Gepik blows its budget on signs in konglishee (thanks for effectively using your NET!!!!!) |
OUCH!. so true! . My EZ has a nonsensical Konglishee slogan outside on the wall. I squirm each and every time i see it. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Its almost as if the FT was just a necessary inconvenience on the whole gravy train. |
Take the "almost" out of your last sentence and you'd be spot on. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
Its almost as if the FT was just a necessary inconvenience on the whole gravy train. |
Take the "almost" out of your last sentence and you'd be spot on. |
Absolutely 100% correct!!
Like Healthcare, Education has become nothing more than a gravy train which owes its life to the fact that it is attached to an emotion-charged service (IE. Education for the survival and success of the next generation). Please notice that without a single exception, funding for Education, when threatened, always returns to the impact that such cuts have on the student. Inflated bureacracies, tenured synchophants and myriads of "consultants" never get discussed. Similarly, discussion of cutting waste in Healthcare always comes back to footage of the blond-haired, blue-eyed little child, wheezing infrequently on their oxygen. No talk of physicians incessantly raising their fees, exorbitant medications or of hospitals within miles of each other in a techno-war over who will have the latest model of MRI.
Our students deserve a lot better than competing in the labor markets with fancy degrees and certifications that are practically meaningless.
If I could have my fantasies I would relish a school solely supported by a cluster of corporations who dictated what kind of skillset they would employ and then subsidize the school to produce successful holders of that skillset. No government in between; just just private enterprise asking for tailor-trained employees who would get employment if they successfully graduated the program. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
Its almost as if the FT was just a necessary inconvenience on the whole gravy train. |
Take the "almost" out of your last sentence and you'd be spot on. |
Absolutely 100% correct!!
Like Healthcare, Education has become nothing more than a gravy train which owes its life to the fact that it is attached to an emotion-charged service (IE. Education for the survival and success of the next generation). Please notice that without a single exception, funding for Education, when threatened, always returns to the impact that such cuts have on the student. Inflated bureacracies, tenured synchophants and myriads of "consultants" never get discussed. Similarly, discussion of cutting waste in Healthcare always comes back to footage of the blond-haired, blue-eyed little child, wheezing infrequently on their oxygen. No talk of physicians incessantly raising their fees, exorbitant medications or of hospitals within miles of each other in a techno-war over who will have the latest model of MRI.
Our students deserve a lot better than competing in the labor markets with fancy degrees and certifications that are practically meaningless.
If I could have my fantasies I would relish a school solely supported by a cluster of corporations who dictated what kind of skillset they would employ and then subsidize the school to produce successful holders of that skillset. No government in between; just just private enterprise asking for tailor-trained employees who would get employment if they successfully graduated the program. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Thank god we don't live in your fantasy world then. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| English Matt wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
Its almost as if the FT was just a necessary inconvenience on the whole gravy train. |
Take the "almost" out of your last sentence and you'd be spot on. |
Absolutely 100% correct!!
Like Healthcare, Education has become nothing more than a gravy train which owes its life to the fact that it is attached to an emotion-charged service (IE. Education for the survival and success of the next generation). Please notice that without a single exception, funding for Education, when threatened, always returns to the impact that such cuts have on the student. Inflated bureacracies, tenured synchophants and myriads of "consultants" never get discussed. Similarly, discussion of cutting waste in Healthcare always comes back to footage of the blond-haired, blue-eyed little child, wheezing infrequently on their oxygen. No talk of physicians incessantly raising their fees, exorbitant medications or of hospitals within miles of each other in a techno-war over who will have the latest model of MRI.
Our students deserve a lot better than competing in the labor markets with fancy degrees and certifications that are practically meaningless.
If I could have my fantasies I would relish a school solely supported by a cluster of corporations who dictated what kind of skillset they would employ and then subsidize the school to produce successful holders of that skillset. No government in between; just just private enterprise asking for tailor-trained employees who would get employment if they successfully graduated the program. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
Thank god we don't live in your fantasy world then. |
Of course... you're probably right. How much better with our current condition of graft, corruption, inept decision-making and chronic uncertainty. Much better, I'm sure. 
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I experienced something like that in Mexico.
I taught company classes to employees of a manufacturing company.
Classes were small, students were tired and largely un-motivated. I think the before or after work schedule didn't help much.
There are similar jobs in Korea I believe.
It was better I suppose that the students were adults, but overall I didn't see much of a difference in the results.
The classes were run by a private academy (hagwon) whose promises to the company were over-blown and whose expectations placed on teachers/students were excessive (to say the least). |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
If I could have my fantasies I would relish a school solely supported by a cluster of corporations who dictated what kind of skillset they would employ and then subsidize the school to produce successful holders of that skillset. No government in between; just just private enterprise asking for tailor-trained employees who would get employment if they successfully graduated the program. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
You could work for a hagwon. Might be close to your dream. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| gaelsano wrote: |
| My last school in gyeonggi spent like 30 million won on an english zone then ran out of money for teachers salaries as i was leaving. |
My school blew 60M on it. The company doing the refurbishment must have laughed all the way to the bank because from what I saw their work could not have been worth that amount. There was some re-plastering and re-painting but that was about it. The formica panelling was broken within weeks.
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Mine was a wreck in no time. But don't worry. As Patrick has noted, the acceptance of these state of the art improvements to English education is inevitable. It's only a matter of time. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| isitts wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
If I could have my fantasies I would relish a school solely supported by a cluster of corporations who dictated what kind of skillset they would employ and then subsidize the school to produce successful holders of that skillset. No government in between; just just private enterprise asking for tailor-trained employees who would get employment if they successfully graduated the program. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
You could work for a hagwon. Might be close to your dream. |
Something tells me that Bruce has, if he ever should make it to Korea, runner written all over him. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| There's an on-going trend of people moving from Seoul to major cities in Gyeonggi-do (Incheon, Suwon, etc) due to a subprime mortgage-ish crisis in Seoul. It's too bad those kids will get a crappier public-level education service. |
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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| isitts wrote: |
| Bruce W Sims wrote: |
If I could have my fantasies I would relish a school solely supported by a cluster of corporations who dictated what kind of skillset they would employ and then subsidize the school to produce successful holders of that skillset. No government in between; just just private enterprise asking for tailor-trained employees who would get employment if they successfully graduated the program. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
You could work for a hagwon. Might be close to your dream. |
Something tells me that Bruce has, if he ever should make it to Korea, runner written all over him. |
Well.....I might surprise you. At 60 I can teach with the best of them..... but I don't run like I used to. 
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: |
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 Some people clearly do not grasp the simple concept of perspective and changes over time... |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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There has always been debate in S.K. about having foreign teachers. Knowing English is important for some of the higher positions with Samsung and other companies. Parents want their children to learn English, preferably from a NET, in order to have a chance at obtaining these jobs. Most of us have ran into discrimination against foreigners while in Korea. It is there, but the question is how deeply does it run.
I have a feeling that GEPIK has been planning this for some time. Remember Wenise Kim? She actually tried to help us the best she could. Once she was fired and they keep their bully Dain Bae, I knew that GEPIK no longer cared about NETs. This was not an accident.
You all may claim that running out of money is short sited but I think it was part of the plan for a few years now. Just look around and you can see some of the pieces that point towards a policy change. |
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