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[Ya-ta Boy]

Here's a link to the AP report.

http://news.yahoo.com/norway-ripped-oslo-bomb-youth-camp-shootings-185204240.html

From the article: The attacks come as Norway grapples with a homegrown terror plot linked to al-Qaida. Two suspects are in jail awaiting charges.

Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country. The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar � the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam � made to various news media, including American network NBC.

That comes clear down near the end of the report, so it is being offered as a possible cause, not a confirmed cause, which seems fair.

It's 11 pm in Oslo, so there probably won't be much more information for awhile.

[Kuros]

As with any event like this, its best not to make any statements or judgments until we have facts to support them.

[catman]

Turns out it was a white guy.

[Ya-ta Boy]

Norway horror: 80 die in camp shooting, 7 in blast

OSLO, Norway (AP) � A Norwegian who dressed as a police officer to gun down summer campers killed at least 80 people at an island retreat, horrified police said early Saturday. It took investigators several hours to begin the realize the full scope of Friday's massacre, which followed an explosion in nearby Oslo that killed seven and that police say was set off by the same suspect.

The mass shootings are among the worst in history. With the blast outside the prime minister's office, they formed the deadliest day of terror in Western Europe since the 2004 Madrid train bombings killed 191.

Police initially said about 10 were killed at the forested camp on the island of Utoya, but some survivors said they thought the toll was much higher. Police director Oystein Maeland told reporters early Saturday they had discovered many more victims...

A suspect in the shootings and the Oslo explosion was arrested. Though police did not release his name, Norwegian national broadcaster NRK identified him as 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik and said police searched his Oslo apartment overnight. NRK and other Norwegian media posted pictures of the blond, blue-eyed Norwegian.

National police chief Sveinung Sponheim told NRK that the suspected gunman's Internet postings "suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views, but whether that was a motivation for the actual act remains to be seen."

A police official said the suspect appears to have acted alone in both attacks, and that "it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.

"It seems it's not Islamic-terror related," the official said. "This seems like a madman's work."
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-horror-80-die-camp-shooting-7-blast-021706287.html

[Ya-ta Boy]

More on the Alleged Norwegian Killer

Breivik had set up his own business, Breivik Geofarm, and a month ago had started to run an organic farm in Hedmark in eastern Norway. There he reportedly produced and stored fertilizers that he was able to use in explosives.

He was known to be active on the internet, expressing extremist Islamophobic views on forums and criticizing immigration policies.

He recently claimed that politics today was not about socialism vs. capitalism but nationalism vs. internationalism. He argued on a Swedish news website that the media were not critical enough about Islam and claimed that Geert Wilders' Party for Freedom in the Netherlands was the only "true" party of conservatives.

He argued that socialism was breaking down traditions, culture, national identity and other societal structures and that this in turn made society weak and confused.

On July 17 he set up a Facebook and Twitter account, posting a single tweet, "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests."

He claimed to be well-read and worshiped the Norwegian World War II hero Max Manus. On his Facebook profile he listed his favorite books as "The Trial" by Franz Kafka and "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by George Orwell and his favorite television show as "Dexter," a series about a Miami police forensics expert who moonlights as a serial killer of criminals whom he believes have escaped justice.

That's all there is, but here is the link so skeptics won't think I made it up:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/more-on-the-alleged-norwegian-killer/242398/

[visitorq]

[Mr. BlackCat]

A few years ago Rosie O'Donnell said radical Christians were just as dangerous as radical Muslims. People attacked her for it, but they really missed the point. Radicals are dangerous no matter what they say their motives are. It isn't about Muslim vs Christian, Left vs Right, Democrat vs Republican. It's about good, peace loving people being vigilant against those who want to cause harm and destruction. I don't believe this man represents Christians anymore than I believe Osama represents Muslims. It's unfourtunate to see that the language and approach we use towards this tragedy has shifted significantly since it was discoverd a white Norwegian man was responsible for this attack. Like I said, I don't blame the groups this madman claimed to be part of but I do consider it to be terrorism. We put ourselves in danger by accepting such a narrow view of the threat.

In any event, my thoughts are with the Norwegian people. To target a youth camp, dressed as a policeman no less. I don't support the death penalty, but maybe that's because there's not enough ways to kill this piece of human scum.

[visitorq]

[Kuros]

Yes, it appears so far as if this guy was more like Timothy McVeigh than Osama Bin Laden.

I always disliked the premise of "Dexter." Now I know why.

[ontheway]

Killing children at a camp.

Children. He targeted children.

Not "collateral damage" which does happen in wartime - a good reason to oppose all wars - but, still, it implies a lack of desire to kill children.

No. This animal targeted children.


... I have no words for this horror ...

[sirius black]

[sirius black]

[Mr. BlackCat]

[Ya-ta Boy]

I've read the guy is an Islamophobe and that he had ties to right wing groups, but I haven't seen anything about him being a Christianist. Where is that charge coming from? (I'm going on the belief that hating Moslems and the government doesn't automatically make someone a hard-core Christian extremist.)

I'm with ontheway on this one. It's horrible enough to set off a bomb with the plan to kill random passers-by, but to target kids specifically is horrible beyond words.

[Ya-ta Boy]

The NYT has a good preliminary article on Anders Behring Breivik:

�We are not sure whether he was alone or had help,� a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised news conference. �What we know is that he is right wing and a Christian fundamentalist...�

�Compared to other countries I wouldn�t say we have a big problem with right-wing extremists in Norway...�

Norwegian analysts said that these right-wing groups were very small, having shrunk considerably since the 1990s, and had been quiet. Even the Progress Party, which began as an anti-tax protest and has been stridently anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim in the past, has moved more to the center, to the point that it is seen as a potential coalition partner for the Conservative Party in the 2013 general election.

Mr. Breivik had been a member of the Progress Party but quit in 2006, disappointed by its move toward moderation...

�Breivik feels that multiculturalism is destroying the society and that the enforcing authority is the prime minister and the Labor Party, the lead party of contemporary Norwegian politics,� said Anders Romarheim, a fellow at the Norwegian Institute for Defense Studies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24oslo.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&hp