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Bruce W Sims
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Illinois; USA
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
I think it's funny that several of you are saying that women won't talk back. In other threads, people go on and on about foreign women being too aggressive. Heck, in several public schools they have those sayings plastered around, and one of them is "A dog is wiser than a woman because a dog doesn't bark at its master." I've seen it when I was teaching a camp at a different school.
Plenty of men are wusses. Plenty of women are strong.
I think that the real reason is because of the fear of molestation, though. Men tend to dominate when it comes to that kind of crime. It's unfair to paint all men with that brush, though, and the hiring practice is garbage. |
Sad, but true. Even here in the States, the age-old archtype of the "nurturing female" and the "aggressive male" still pre-dominates. Should a woman attempt to be more aggressive (IE. enter the business or professional community) or a man attempt to be more nurturing (IE. childcare; Education) they are immediately suspect. Yes....I know.... there is not suppose to be Sex Discrimination in hiring practices. There are also 7 year olds who still believe in Santa Claus. Where I take umbrage is on those occassions where a Feminist starts pounding the podium about women banging their heads on a "glass ceiling" or some such. In my own professional experience I have yet to find a person emmeshed in an abusive situation who had not allowed themselves to be kept there. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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A woman can be nurturing yet strong. The best are.
Ah well. Best of luck to all of the guys out there. You'll find something, and will be happier that you're working for people who (hopefully) don't have such stupid prejudice. |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Plus there are tons of guy teachers already. |
Yup, that's the real reason. Korea is a western sausage fest. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Why are so many jobs openings female only? |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
I've seen a few job ads that say whites only.
Many more say gyopos only.
An even greater number say F visas only.
But more than all of these is females only. |
I haven't browsed job lists lately, but last time I did, the vast majority requesting the above - aside from whites - are part-time jobs.
Gyopo means it's probably test-prep (need to be bilingual to explain TOEFL/SAT solutions) so, while the pay is high, you need Korean fluency as well as tons of test-based knowledge.
F-2 (F-4 is gyopo, essentially) visa means they're too lazy to do any immigration paperwork, or are unable to apply for visas. They want a married person they can throw right into the fray. Common with public schools in Seoul.
Females only is common with corporate teaching and kindy.
Not trying to defend the job market. But I could see how people clicking on these "high-end" jobs that get advertised would be perturbed. That uni gig listed at the end of your first post is part-time so they can't supply a visa. Hence female + F-2 OR E-1 (can apply for second place of employment). |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
Teaching adults will pay the bills and be good practice for small groups of adults but uni jobs are about networking, right place right time, qualifications, and plain old luck. I don't think any of the other teaching areas really line up with it.
Take me, for instance. Been here 10 years and have done lots of different stuff, but I still can't get a uni gig because I have no MA or uni experience.  |
Dude, it's way easier to get a uni gig as a female.
The chances of getting a university position as a male with no MA and no uni experience: very slim. For a female, the odds are much better. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| O...kay...not sure how that relates to your first post and job openings. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: |
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I applied for an interview at an university, and they hired the woman without an MA.
In another job I was second in line, but that Uni didn't want to hire a black girl, so I got the job.
A white woman with an MA has a golden ticket in Korea.
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
Teaching adults will pay the bills and be good practice for small groups of adults but uni jobs are about networking, right place right time, qualifications, and plain old luck. I don't think any of the other teaching areas really line up with it.
Take me, for instance. Been here 10 years and have done lots of different stuff, but I still can't get a uni gig because I have no MA or uni experience. |
Dude, it's way easier to get a uni gig as a female.
The chances of getting a university position as a male with no MA and no uni experience: very slim. For a female, the odds are much better. |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Why are we even having this discussion? Is it not blatantly obvious?
The whole reason so many of us crackers have jobs here to begin with is because Koreans are prejudice and racist. What makes you think they are above sexism as well?
You're basically saying its fine that they give white people jobs first, because racism is cool, but give a job to woman first and hey, that's unfair!
Why were only women hired to work at textile mills? Answer: Willing to be bullied hard for little pay
Why are most school teachers in America women? Answer: Hiring bias based on traditional belief that being a teacher is similar to being a mother
Why are only women hired at hooters? They are *beep*.
English teachers are something of a mix of the three jobs above. Thus.... |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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I had a conversation last night that gave me a better idea of the extent to which females have an advantage over males in the ESL industry. I was shocked and blown away by what I was hearing.
A gyopo was telling me about how, although she and her boyfriend use the same website to advertise, she (with mention of being female in her ad) gets many more responses, and is able to ask for and get much higher payment. Her inbox was flooded with offers for part time work- more than she could handle- while her boyfriend wasn't able to get enough work. (What she did was have her boyfriend show up for jobs she secured.)
(@_@)
What really gets to me is ads for jobs that pay well but don't ask for anything beyond being female (and/or perhaps having the right visa).
I often see job ads that say; "URGENT: We desperately need a teacher to start ASAP", and then when I click on the link and read the description it says "FEMALES ONLY". (>_<) (I guess they are not that desperate.)
The ESL job market in Korea is terrible right now, but I am still seeing high wages in the "female only" ads. The exclusion angers me.
Look at this ad: It says 60,000 won per hour, but it also says "negotiable", which means the boss is willing to concede more. I have never seen an ad online offering that much for a job open to males as well. Have you?
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Hi. I am looking for a teacher who can take part.
Here's the information.
< Location > : Gwangwhamun st. (Line 5). It takes 5 min on foot.
or City hall st. (Line 2). It takes 10 min on foot.
< Time > : Five times a week
Everyday a week 12:00 ~ 13:00
< Class > : 1:1 Biz. Conversation class
< Salary > : 60,000 ~ KRW per hour
The salary is negotiable!!
< Starting Date > : ASAP (Maybe Thurs.)
< Qualification > : Bachelor's Dgree
US, Canada, Australia and UK Native Speaker
Female teacher
If you are interested in this position, please send me your resume with your recent photo by e-mail. Then I will cantact you.
Thank you and we look forward to hearing from you VERY SOON !! |
This ad looks quite good too, and is certainly above the industry average, considering the high pay and low hours:
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We are currently looking for a teacher who is able to work in Kangwon land casio. Must be FEMALE F2, F4, or F5. D2 is also possible. This position is only for 3 months.
Location: Kangwondo, Kangwonland casio.
Class: English conversation
Students: Kangwonland employees
Time: you will only teach 4 to 5 hours a day and 5 days a week.
Housing: yes! lunch and dinner will be free
Start: Jan 2nd 2012
Pay: 3 million won per month |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Most Gyopo only ads have "Females Only" in the job description, but not in the title.
Females who just did PT work would bank a lot of money considering the number of positions available to them. |
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proverbs
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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my recruiter friend has me on a mailing list. surprisingly, I've been seeing a lot of MALE ONLY positions. however, since i am a F4 i can't take the jobs 
i wouldn't mind passing some info to him. just send me a pm. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: |
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There is generally a shortage of female applicants so sometimes hagwons/universities want to balance there staffing by having a female among the 10 males.
Sometimes the students want someone nice to look at while they study English.
Yes some jobs do state males only too, but women need to realise that they shouldn't be taking a job for 2.1, they can command a premium. An even higher premium of they are good looking. Korean society does not have the same problem judging on looks as back home, actually that's nonsense, it's just that Koreans are honest about it. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Korean society does not have the same problem judging on looks as back home, actually that's nonsense, it's just that Koreans are honest about it. |
Sorry, what are you saying? You seem to be saying that the fact that Korean society does not have a problem judging on looks is nonsense. So does that mean Korean society does have a problem judging on looks? What does a 'problem judging on looks' mean anyway? Were you chosen for your looks? |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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No one has mentioned supply and demand yet? Perhaps the parents prefer female teachers
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| Korean society does not have the same problem judging on looks as back home, actually that's nonsense, it's just that Koreans are honest about it. |
Sorry, what are you saying? You seem to be saying that the fact that Korean society does not have a problem judging on looks is nonsense. So does that mean Korean society does have a problem judging on looks? What does a 'problem judging on looks' mean anyway? |
Better looking people are more employable |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Woman are sexy.
Also, apparantly us mens have the baddest of grammers so its not surprized that the womens are becoming the most and moster popular thses days. The womens have the educatons and qwalified papers to give to the colleges. But us mens are good at lifting heavee boxes. Maybe thats why the womens are in the demand.
Only joking. It's very annoying though. But i've given up on having resonable expectations for certain things when it comes to South Korea. Progressive they ain't. |
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