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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| There is a perception women will stay at home and secretly cry about problems and very easy to control. Also they have got the added bonus of boobs. |
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Firearcher
Joined: 22 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: Sexism |
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Its sexism at its finest. Judge an entire gender based upon the actions of a few.
Since a man invented the light bulb which lights the classrooms you would think they'd be after men.
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Soldier
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:15 pm Post subject: I think... |
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You may have missed the social revolution.  |
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schwa

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: sokcho
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen schools get burned by difficult male teachers, so they lean toward hiring women.
I've seen other schools get burned by difficult female teachers, so they lean toward hiring men.
Sometimes a school has a run of luck with good teachers of one sex or the other & want to keep it going.
Sometimes they discriminate in their ads because in Korea there isnt really anything preventing that. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Because they're a bunch of sexist racist a h0les. |
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Mr Lee's Monkey
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: schools and women |
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| Anybody who wants to work at a school where the Canadian man and his Korean wife owner treat women like crap and men like little gods, let me know. There are some places that insist on females and don't necessarily treat them well. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| I have never met a long term female foreigner here. I think 3 years is the longest timer I've met. |
Well..thats it exactly.
Ajosshi bosses stop at nothing to pay for some white eye candy but their primitive behaviour ensures that the object of their affection flees the country in short order. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually if I was looking for a push over, I would look more for young and new to Korea. |
And some places are looking for for just that:
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★★=SEOUL PM JOB IN FEBRUARY-ONLY NEW TEACHER=★★ (BALSAN IN SEOUL)
- Location : BALSAN IN SEOUL
- Starting Date : LATE FEBRUARY
- Benefits: Pension , Severance payment, Medical insurance, airfare will be provided
- Student Type : Elementary- Middle
- Working Hours :2-10 pm(prep time included)
- Housing : Furnished Single
- Salary : 2.1-2.3mil won
- New teacher only who is very energetic, enthusiastic and confident
-All curriculums set |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Because Koreans aren't threatened by Western women, and they may also fantasize about them. Korean men, that is: they're the ones in charge here. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Well, I'm going to go in to bat for the ladies and say as a man that I don't think the females have it that great even with all these job adverts wanting them.
As another poster pointed out, a fair proportion of the jobs are for females who don't have E-2 visas. How many western women who originally qualified for E-2 visas do you know that are married to Korean men as opposed to foreign men in the same position who end up getting married to a native Korean and can work at jobs denied to E-2 visa holders?
Far more western male English teachers marry Koreans and get the benefits of the earning power this gives. I've never met a western women married to a Korean man who came here on an E-2 visa and then could get the better F visa jobs. I know they must exist but they're outnumbered by western men on F visas.
I know that there are western women who are of mature age, have cvs that stand out compared to many of both younger female native speakers, younger male native speakers and older male native speakers. Again, not getting married to a Korean damn well limits what they can do since E-2 visas generally don't offer challenging jobs suited to those kinds of people.
Two years ago I met a nice woman in Seoul for the weekend who could have taught Korean business people anywhere including Samsung, LG, could have taught Koreans at city hall, govt ministries etc. She'd worked in research, editing etc in her own country as well as some years in Asia teaching at interesting places. But on the E-2 it was well nigh impossible. Those kinds of jobs are part time jobs designed for F visa holders.
She told me she just enjoys teaching in Asia and that's why she's here. But she was also a bit frustrated by the limits of the E-2. I can identify, and I think as a woman she isn't privileged to have mediocre hagwon jobs of the kind regularly advertised as being for females. Men do have more options in Korea. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:07 am Post subject: |
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I spend loads of time searching job ads. Here are two true statements:
1)The f-visa is much better than an e-2 visa.
2)Females have an advantage over males (and a huge one at that).
F-4 women can really clean up. I've seen it happen. So can E-2 women. At the very least they are in a stronger position of bargaining leverage than E-2 men.
I see ads like this on a daily basis:
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1. Working days : Mon, Wed, Friday
2. Time : 7:30PM to 8: 30pm
3. Period : More than 4 months
4. Working place : Student's house, Close to Seolleung of line 2 and Dogok of line 3
5. Salary : 60,000 won for one hr
6. Class : one -on- one private tutoring
7. student :Grade 3
8.Qualifications : Only A Female Native speaker of English with BA degree,
9. Starting Time : ASAP
10. How to apply :
If you are interested in this position and meet your qualification, please send me your resume, photo and cover letter |
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Moondoggy
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
I spend loads of time searching job ads. Here are two true statements:
1)The f-visa is much better than an e-2 visa.
2)Females have an advantage over males (and a huge one at that).
F-4 women can really clean up. I've seen it happen. So can E-2 women. At the very least they are in a stronger position of bargaining leverage than E-2 men.
I see ads like this on a daily basis:
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1. Working days : Mon, Wed, Friday
2. Time : 7:30PM to 8: 30pm
3. Period : More than 4 months
4. Working place : Student's house, Close to Seolleung of line 2 and Dogok of line 3
5. Salary : 60,000 won for one hr
6. Class : one -on- one private tutoring
7. student :Grade 3
8.Qualifications : Only A Female Native speaker of English with BA degree,
9. Starting Time : ASAP
10. How to apply :
If you are interested in this position and meet your qualification, please send me your resume, photo and cover letter |
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So teaching ESL in Korea can be considered a female profession. Apparently it has become one of those female dominated occupations. In the US school teachers, nurses, secretaries are mostly females. Obviously there's a pro-female bias in female-dominated occupations and may be gender stereotyping. Life is not fair guys, go find some better job. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Life is not fair guys, go find some better job. |
For once I agree with Moondoggy. These are crap jobs. Even the one that pays 60,000 an hour because the boss, the students, or whoever decided to advertise, are idiots/lechers and can't be trusted to know anything about teaching. So they're almost certainly going to be incompetent in other ways. Quit moaning about it and get in a position where you can apply for jobs where it isn't an issue. Maybe not even in Korea if that's necessary. I personally would never work in Saudi Arabia for the same reason. Otherwise it's like a load of guys sitting around complaining about adverts for 'attractive bar staff'. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:04 am Post subject: |
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So teaching ESL in Korea can be considered a female profession. Apparently it has become one of those female dominated occupations. In the US school teachers, nurses, secretaries are mostly females. Obviously there's a pro-female bias in female-dominated occupations and may be gender stereotyping. Life is not fair guys, go find some better job. |
Based on my experience, teaching ESL in most countries is considered a female profession the Middle East being an exception. Every school I worked for in Canada had females outnumbering males at least 3 if not 4 to 1. Reason being? Well the pay isn't high enough if you want a family. It is however a good job for a spouse that is looking to provide supplementary income for their families like many of the women I worked with. As a main bread winning job? Except for the ME, good luck with that.
One of my former colleagues is doing his K-12 TESOL MA at NYU and there are less than 10 guys in the entire program! |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Based on my experience, teaching ESL in most countries is considered a female profession the Middle East being an exception. Every school I worked for in Canada had females outnumbering males at least 3 if not 4 to 1 |
I don't know what countries you've worked in, apart from Korea and Canada, but I haven't found this to be the case. For starters there are a lot more men doing ESL in Korea and Japan, regardless of what the natives think. Some countries in Europe I worked in had more men and others more women, mainly depending on how good the opportunities for dating the locals were. If you want to generalize I'd say certainly teaching little kids is still considered to be a woman's job in most countries and the majority of jobs in TEFL in general are done by younger people without families to support. When you look at the better, higher paying jobs it's usually around fifty fifty, unless local conditions play a role. |
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