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Moondoggy
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Life is not fair guys, go find some better job. |
For once I agree with Moondoggy. These are crap jobs. Even the one that pays 60,000 an hour because the boss, the students, or whoever decided to advertise, are idiots/lechers and can't be trusted to know anything about teaching. So they're almost certainly going to be incompetent in other ways. Quit moaning about it and get in a position where you can apply for jobs where it isn't an issue. Maybe not even in Korea if that's necessary. I personally would never work in Saudi Arabia for the same reason. Otherwise it's like a load of guys sitting around complaining about adverts for 'attractive bar staff'. |
In California the recession has altered competition for menial jobs between white workers who previously shunned these jobs and Hispanic workers who have been always willing to take them. Hispanic workers always win. Even white business owners prefer to hire Mexicans rather than whites. And these poor whites end up sleeping in the park and singing “Me and Bobby McGee” all day long just to make a few dollars. It’s another example of “gender and race bias” in hiring. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think teaching ESL is a crap job. If you think it is, then so be it. And I don’t really believe females make better ESL teachers than males. But pretty soon female foreign English teachers will vastly outnumber male foreign teachers in Korea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KIJoXbwKrg
This guy is amazing. He could be hired by the Korean government (if he had a Korean wife). |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think teaching ESL is a crap job. If you think it is, then so be it |
I didn't say teaching ESL is a crap job I said a job where they specifically ask for a female when the job doesn't require it will probably be a crap job because the guy who's hiring and probably the boss isn't really interested in the teaching side of things. He's either just thinking of what the parents superficially think they want or he's after someone he can boss around/ogle/grope. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:35 am Post subject: |
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But pretty soon female foreign English teachers will vastly outnumber male foreign teachers in Korea.
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Not a chance. No offense ladies, most do not have the staying power to handle the crap Korea gives. Most women will be here a year or two, then move on. The more pretty, the earlier they leave (in my opinion).
Also if schools are trying to be cheap and quick thus try to hire in country. The men will out number the women. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:11 am Post subject: |
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This guy is amazing. He could be hired by the Korean government (if he had a Korean wife).
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Kind of like a poor man's Patrick Stewart but overly dramatic and too loud. Yes, the Koreans would love him. |
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Moondoggy
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
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But pretty soon female foreign English teachers will vastly outnumber male foreign teachers in Korea.
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Not a chance. No offense ladies, most do not have the staying power to handle the crap Korea gives. Most women will be here a year or two, then move on. The more pretty, the earlier they leave (in my opinion).
Also if schools are trying to be cheap and quick thus try to hire in country. The men will out number the women. |
I understand your frustration but there’s nothing you can do to change it unless you open your own academy and only hire males. It didn’t happen before in Korea because there wasn’t enough supply of female teachers. Things have changed and Korea has been discovered and all those K schools are flooded with female applicants. I personally helped a few female friends of mine from Berkeley and Stanford get their teaching positions in korea and that’s how I found dave’s esl board. They all are having a wonderful time in Korea. Yes they love K culture and that’s why they moved to K land. Anyways I’m sure there are lots of males who feel that females take up positions at K schools that should rightfully belong to them. Well I feel for the males who face gender discrimination but I also see the need for racial and gender diversity over there. Nevertheless the percentage of female foreign teachers at many K schools and academies should be higher than it is, if only to be at all fair, and it will be much higher within the next couple years. That’s how the education system (including ESL) works. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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In the hogwons and public schools women are preferred because the ajumas who have all the power prefer women. They think women are better teachers. Oftentimes it has nothing with the quality, they go for the 'look'. They'll take a 23yo female fresh out of college over a 27 yo guy who has teaching experience, a TESOL and a teaching certificate.
Universities don't have enough women teaching. Males, specifically F visa married guys dominate many of the mid level and lower level colleges. Also, since guys tend to stay longer than women, non F visa men get a lot of the remainer jobs. So, unis want more women for balance and also oftentimes students, specifically female students often ask why there are no women teaching english.
The heirarchy, generally speaking, in Korea is as such with regards to who gets hired:
1. white female
2. white male
3. black female
4. black male
and if you're in the 'other' latino, or other ethnic group, you get lumped somewhere after white male depending a variety of factors.
Also, this heirarchy may change because of age, physical attractiveness. A handsome young white male get a job over a fat, older white female for example. Or a lighter skinned, pretty black female gets chosen over a loser looking white male. However, generally, this is the heirarchy.
It is what it is. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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From what I've heard from buds (males) working in Unis here, "messing" with students here is quite common.
Not sure if it's been mentioned in the previous 5 pages - but perhaps one reason for the preference is that it's believe the female teacher won't hump half the class.
/shrug |
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Mr Lee's Monkey
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:20 pm Post subject: wow ... |
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sirius black is siriusly mistaken - his 'generally speaking heirarchy' in this particular post does not reflect reality, just his supposition.
Captain Corea, on the other hand, might just be the oracle. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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In terms of desirability:
1. white female
2. non-white female
3. white male
4. non-white male
By nationality:
1. American female
2. Canadian female
3. British/Aussie/Kiwi female
4. Irish female
5. South African female
6. American male
7. Canadian male
8. British/Aussie/Kiwi male
9. Irish male
10. South African male |
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Soldier
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:56 am Post subject: Stats |
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Stats please?
I know a law exists for gender equity in Korea. But stats please for the race, etc. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Canadian women with Master's degrees clean up in Korea. They get great jobs. Women are sought after by many universities because, if you look at the foreign teaching staff at a lot schools, their foreign EFL teachers are overwhelmingly male. And it doesn't matter where you go - Thailand, Taiwan, Japan - most of the teachers are men.
So, even if a female applicant is less qualified than the other male candidates, I've seen where the female applicant was hired. Simply because the dept. didn't have any female foreign EFL teachers.
A Canadian woman with an M.A. TESOL and CELTA would pretty much get any job she applies for. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:59 am Post subject: Re: wow ... |
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| Mr Lee's Monkey wrote: |
sirius black is siriusly mistaken - his 'generally speaking heirarchy' in this particular post does not reflect reality, just his supposition.
Captain Corea, on the other hand, might just be the oracle. |
Captain Corea is also right (as is my post). Its also amazing from reading your post just how seriously out of touch or removed from reality some are. I wonder if after reading posts like this some folks even teach in Korea or if so, shockingly still have no idea what goes on in the country.
lol..amazing.
On a side note, the banging of students is routine for male Korean teachers. They go after students and its tolerated as a 'perk' on the job as long as they are public about it. its hush hush. Different rules for native English speakers. Quick way to get fired if its found out and even in some cases suspected with no proof if the rumor takes hold. Fired under the 'bring the uni in disrepute' part of uni contracts. Ironically, when ever I've heard of these cases its the female student who initiates contact and the reverse for Korean profs. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:04 am Post subject: |
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In terms of desirability:
1. white female
2. non-white female
3. white male
4. non-white male
By nationality:
1. American female
2. Canadian female
3. British/Aussie/Kiwi female
4. Irish female
5. South African female
6. American male
7. Canadian male
8. British/Aussie/Kiwi male
9. Irish male
10. South African male |
More detail than my list and pretty accurate. |
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abright1dea
Joined: 06 Nov 2012
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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So I'm kind of just jumping into this thread but it really piqued my interest.
I'm a white female, 25 years old, blond, athletically built and above average looking.
Just starting the job search, didn't really think twice about accepting a position with good hours in the location I want (Busan), based on my generalizations of myself, what would you veterans recommend as a good salary range for me to seek? Thanks |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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So I'm kind of just jumping into this thread but it really piqued my interest.
I'm a white female, 25 years old, blond, athletically built and above average looking.
Just starting the job search, didn't really think twice about accepting a position with good hours in the location I want (Busan), based on my generalizations of myself, what would you veterans recommend as a good salary range for me to seek? Thanks |
I think one of the reasons why employers favour young inexperienced women is that they think they won't kick up too much of a fuss about how much they get paid.  |
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