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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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 Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:32 am Post subject: |
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/obama-air-defense-syria-rebels-23099463
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| The Obama administration is considering allowing shipments of new air defense systems to Syrian rebels, a U.S. official said Friday. |
ABC says they're "air defense systems". That description is true, but insufficient. They're anti-aircraft weapons.
America will give anti-aircraft weapons to the jihadis in Syria. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:11 am Post subject: |
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ABC says they're "air defense systems". That description is true, but insufficient. They're anti-aircraft weapons.
America will give anti-aircraft weapons to the jihadis in Syria. |
They should have anti-aircraft weapons if nothing else. Aircraft are what the Syrian government uses to punish civilians who may or may not be rebels.
The most conservative estimates place the death toll at 100,000, and no, those are not all combatants.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/02/201221315020166516.html
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| As the armed groups gain experience, they are adopting classic insurgent techniques of providing services to the population, while also blending in with them. In my encounters with armed opposition groups throughout Syria, I was reminded of Hamas in Palestine, Hezbollah in south Lebanon, Iraqi Sunni and Shia insurgents and resistance groups as well as the Taliban in Afghan villages - not in the religious sense, but in how they were an organic part of the community. |
If Syria has no air force tomorrow, so much the better. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:23 am Post subject: |
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You see no issue with muslim crazies being given the ability to shoot down commercial aircraft?
Nir Rosen is trying to fry your brain about the "armed opposition" kuros. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:31 am Post subject: |
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You see no issue with muslim crazies being given the ability to shoot down commercial aircraft?
Nir Rosen is trying to fry your brain about the "armed opposition" kuros. |
What commercial aircraft flies over Syria these days?
Attack the source, Titus! Attack the source! |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Just as easily as Al Qaeda poured into Syria (on America's dime) the weapons can flow out. Into Europe or Iran or Russia.
Yes. The source. Read the last name and close the window. Taking my advice on this will diminish the likelihood of you having a dumb-ass opinion like 'give surface to air missiles to Al Qaeda to protect civilians'. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Yes. The source. Read the last name and close the window. Taking my advice on this will diminish the likelihood of you having a dumb-ass opinion like 'give surface to air missiles to Al Qaeda to protect civilians'. |
I am sure Al Qaeda will grab a few Stingers. But the rebellion is far more than Al Qaeda. And 100,000 are dead. Al Qaeda couldn't touch that on its best day.
Here's Jeffrey Goldberg on Nir Rosen. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| If we want to stop the civil war, we should cease supporting the rebels. They would collapse without foreign support. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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I mean, come on, do you really think Seymour Hersh would have published this article without more than sufficient evidence to make the claims he does? Seymour Hersh?
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/richardspencer/100250185/ignore-the-conspiracy-theories-assad-was-behind-the-syrian-chemical-weapons-attack/
Apparently so. Richard Spencer points out why Hersh's claims are laughable. Even the news agency (the New Yorker) that Hersh has been a regular contributor over the years refused to publish his article.
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| As I say, the New Yorker and The Washington Post both rejected the Hersh article, the latter by Hersh's own admission, saying its sourcing was inadequate. |
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| Unfortunately it reveals how casual he has been. He says, for example, that in contrast to the 1,429 figure, Medecins Sans Frontieres estimated the number of deaths to be 355. The briefest of looks at the MSF press release in question would have shown that the 355 figure was for deaths at the three clinics with which it had worked in the areas affected, out of many such clinics (to say nothing of those who were killed instantly and not taken to hospital). The MSF figures if anything lend weight to the US estimate. I cite that as an example. The more important charges Hersh raises, on the intelligence and ballistics, have already been debunked by much closer observers of the conflict than either Hersh or Peter. |
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| The administration never claimed to have real-time knowledge of the chemical weapons attack, so the revelation that it did not have that knowledge does not prove it was lying. After the attack, intelligence went through (and translated) intercepts and found conversations by Assad officials discussing the attacks in advance. |
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I read it, finally. It's just another stupid hatchet job. And the ad hominem on Hersh doesn't change that. What kind of debunking piece skirts around the main points of what it's trying to debunk? To whit: evidence that the "rebels" had access to chemical weapons and the Americans knew it and Obama "cherry picking" intelligence to make a case for bombing. Ten to one says this guy works for British or American intelligence on the side. Look at his beat.
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Care to respond to the instances in the second case? Oh wait those have Seymour Hersh actually admitting fault. I guess it's hard to defend him when the man himself admits he was wrong. Here I'll quote them again and bold the relevant admissions
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-deceits-of-seymour-hersh/
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| The Times promptly hired Hersh to work in its Washington bureau, where the sloppiness that would come to define his journalism career soon became evident. In 1974, he claimed that the former U.S. Ambassador to Chile, Edward Korry, was involved in a coup d’état the previous year. It wasn’t until 1981 that Hersh would write a 3,000-word, front-page retraction exonerating Korry that Time referred to as “the longest correction ever published.” |
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Hersh alleged that, during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel blackmailed the United States into launching a weapons airlift by threatening to deploy its nuclear arsenal against Arab adversaries—a claim that Richard Nixon later said had “no foundation whatsoever.” Hersh also wrote that Israel had targeted cities in the Soviet Union with its nuclear arsenal while simultaneously passing along American nuclear secrets to Moscow.
The source for this, and much else in the book, was Ari Ben-Menashe, an Israeli con man and “spinner of tangled yarns,” according to Time. Perhaps the most infamous of such yarns was the 1980 meeting Ben-Menashe claims to have witnessed in Paris where then Vice Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush persuaded Iranian leaders to hold American hostages until after the election. Hersh himself would later admit that Ben-Menashe “lies like people breathe.” |
So basing your story on the evidence of someone you know to be a pathological liar?
Then there is the Kennedy story where Hersh admits he had been duped and had to hastily re-edit his book.
And that's just a sample.
But let's look what the man himself says about his work
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| "If the standard for being fired was being wrong on a story, I would have been fired long ago,” Hersh told the Progressive in 1998. |
Which in itself answers your question at the top of this post. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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You think that's clever? |
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ersatzredux
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Another chemical weapons attack by the "rebels":
http://www.infowars.com/new-video-alleges-evidence-of-rebel-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/
Watch the video before commenting please. Although I guess it can't have happened because Seymour Hersh said they had chemical weapons. Right, Urban Myth?
The depths we have sunk to. Supporting these monsters and strangling pregnant women in Ukraine, all grist to the Empire's mill. Christ, when are the Chinese finally going to put the real evil empire out of the world's misery? Not soon enough. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Let us hope Karma is a south Asian superstition and not a force of nature. |
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Gladiator
Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:58 am Post subject: Syria |
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A while back I came across this incredibly prescient short story called 'Situation Room' written by an author called Titus Green who, interestingly enough, once taught in South Korea (according to the website's bio). It seems to have been inspired by events in Syria, or more specifically the seditious behind the scenes 'regime changing' plotting or scheduling that the shadowy shadow governments invariably carry out. It is set sometime in the future and features an omniscient narrator who sees events like this replayed in history like broken records. It is extremely cynical, but probably horribly real.
http://emptysinkpublishing.com/archives/issue-1/situation-room/ |
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Titus
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: |
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American foreign policy is a disaster. Not sure we can agree on the specific facts, though, because none of your links shows conclusively that the U.S. directly arms Al Qaeda. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Who do you think the "rebels" are in Syria? Better yet, where do you draw a bright red line between ISIS, the Syrian "rebels" and Al-Qaeda? They don't draw one. IF you give a gun to any one of the three the other two have access to it. |
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