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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Zenpickle wrote: |
Overly entitled English teacher expats aren't our bread and butter. They're cheap. They're insular. They're transient. And in my nine years of experience here, they're mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles. Especially the ones who STILL hang out on Dave's. |
Really dude! I know you received some heat on this thread but (a) how do you know it was an English teacher who posted a comment that angered you and (b) how are you going to label a whole community like that?
And you post a link to your podcast as well! Why would you do that if you feel that the majority here are mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles.
You just lost so much respect from me.
Do you not see how you just became what angered you in the first place? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| Zenpickle wrote: |
Overly entitled English teacher expats aren't our bread and butter. They're cheap. They're insular. They're transient. And in my nine years of experience here, they're mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles. Especially the ones who STILL hang out on Dave's. |
Really dude! I know you received some heat on this thread but (a) how do you know it was an English teacher who posted a comment that angered you and (b) how are you going to label a whole community like that?
And you post a link to your podcast as well! Why would you do that if you feel that the majority here are mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles.
You just lost so much respect from me.
Do you not see how you just became what angered you in the first place? |
Zen, I sent you a pm saying much the same thing...except not as clearly as everything-is-everything. In fact he said it far better than I. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenpickle wrote: |
You'd find that we're fairly pleasant people and not much different than any of you.
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd agree that the shots on English teachers didn't help your argument, and sure as heck ain't gonna garner much sympathy or good will. Rest of the post was good, I thought. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| Zenpickle wrote: |
Overly entitled English teacher expats aren't our bread and butter. They're cheap. They're insular. They're transient. And in my nine years of experience here, they're mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles. Especially the ones who STILL hang out on Dave's. |
Really dude! I know you received some heat on this thread but (a) how do you know it was an English teacher who posted a comment that angered you and (b) how are you going to label a whole community like that?
And you post a link to your podcast as well! Why would you do that if you feel that the majority here are mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles.
You just lost so much respect from me.
Do you not see how you just became what angered you in the first place? |
Zen, I sent you a pm saying much the same thing...except not as clearly as everything-is-everything. In fact he said it far better than I. |
and yet you say:
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| Zenkimchi is a food blog. He loves food, loves to talk about food, including Korean food. So guess what, he will get some invites from restaurants. He does not pretend to be a food critic (at least not to my knowledge). He was a tool in the whole ATEK debacle but that is different. |
It's clearly evident that that behaviour extended well beyond the ATEK thing, it also extended to this past summer when he decided to throw his weight behind a half-mad convicted criminal masquerading as an english "professor" who decided to libel and slander somewhere between a dozen and a several thousand people depending on how you read it and took his behaviour.
No, I think the behaviour outside the blog is quite relevant, and it reflects on his credibility in the blog. If he's consistently questionable outside it, what makes him so great when writing the blog? |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| Zenpickle wrote: |
Overly entitled English teacher expats aren't our bread and butter. They're cheap. They're insular. They're transient. And in my nine years of experience here, they're mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles. Especially the ones who STILL hang out on Dave's. |
Really dude! I know you received some heat on this thread but (a) how do you know it was an English teacher who posted a comment that angered you and (b) how are you going to label a whole community like that?
And you post a link to your podcast as well! Why would you do that if you feel that the majority here are mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles.
You just lost so much respect from me.
Do you not see how you just became what angered you in the first place? |
Zen, I sent you a pm saying much the same thing...except not as clearly as everything-is-everything. In fact he said it far better than I. |
and yet you say:
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| Zenkimchi is a food blog. He loves food, loves to talk about food, including Korean food. So guess what, he will get some invites from restaurants. He does not pretend to be a food critic (at least not to my knowledge). He was a tool in the whole ATEK debacle but that is different. |
It's clearly evident that that behaviour extended well beyond the ATEK thing, it also extended to this past summer when he decided to throw his weight behind a half-mad convicted criminal masquerading as an english "professor" who decided to libel and slander somewhere between a dozen and a several thousand people depending on how you read it and took his behaviour.
No, I think the behaviour outside the blog is quite relevant, and it reflects on his credibility in the blog. If he's consistently questionable outside it, what makes him so great when writing the blog? |
Could you elaborate on the bolded part? Just curious what happened |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| toby99 wrote: |
| alongway wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| Zenpickle wrote: |
Overly entitled English teacher expats aren't our bread and butter. They're cheap. They're insular. They're transient. And in my nine years of experience here, they're mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles. Especially the ones who STILL hang out on Dave's. |
Really dude! I know you received some heat on this thread but (a) how do you know it was an English teacher who posted a comment that angered you and (b) how are you going to label a whole community like that?
And you post a link to your podcast as well! Why would you do that if you feel that the majority here are mostly stupid, unambitious, self-delusional, and socially retarded with a bubble of smug superiority over their host country and those not in their Itaewon Island social circles.
You just lost so much respect from me.
Do you not see how you just became what angered you in the first place? |
Zen, I sent you a pm saying much the same thing...except not as clearly as everything-is-everything. In fact he said it far better than I. |
and yet you say:
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| Zenkimchi is a food blog. He loves food, loves to talk about food, including Korean food. So guess what, he will get some invites from restaurants. He does not pretend to be a food critic (at least not to my knowledge). He was a tool in the whole ATEK debacle but that is different. |
It's clearly evident that that behaviour extended well beyond the ATEK thing, it also extended to this past summer when he decided to throw his weight behind a half-mad convicted criminal masquerading as an english "professor" who decided to libel and slander somewhere between a dozen and a several thousand people depending on how you read it and took his behaviour.
No, I think the behaviour outside the blog is quite relevant, and it reflects on his credibility in the blog. If he's consistently questionable outside it, what makes him so great when writing the blog? |
Could you elaborate on the bolded part? Just curious what happened |
I'd like to, but I worry it would cause him to take to the skies again in his secret spy plane to give tell-all interviews to "major international publications that he's totally not associated with" over his base of operations in international waters. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Finally, who takes blogs so seriously anyway? |
That's a good question, and the answer is that the Korean media holds a number of expat bloggers up as spokespeople for the expat community. They are called to speak about issues such as the recent MBC controversy, teaching in Korea, and even music and fashion trends. You'd be surprised how many newbies think that teaching and living in Korea is some kind of perfect fantasy because that's how it is presented by certain expat bloggers who don't disclose who is paying them to say those things. We all know who they are and the reality is that they only speak for themselves and whatever they are trying to promote, which is usually their blog or K-Pop or Korean tourism or some Itaewon restaurants. |
That did happen and it will happen in such a small foreign community. They stand out in some way or another and the ones that do get invited usually have a pretty balanced view of Korea itself.
Seriously, one look at a blog page will tell you all you need to know. Getting angry at it is useless. i mean the publicity and sponsors are typically there for all to see.
Zenkimchi is a food blog. He loves food, loves to talk about food, including Korean food. So guess what, he will get some invites from restaurants. He does not pretend to be a food critic (at least not to my knowledge). He was a tool in the whole ATEK debacle but that is different.
Some bloggers do take themselves too seriously, no debate there. A blog is basically a personal page where a person shares their opinions and their lives with whatever people want to follow along.
Anyway, the beauty of blogs is that they are interchangeable and largely inconsequential. If you do not like one....well..don't read it! Better yet, start your own if you have a need to counter what is being said.
I really have no horse in this race and do not take these blogs very seriously. Just popcorn reading for me, nothing more. |
I was talking about the complete lack of ethics and conflict of interests throughout the blogosphere and, yes, the fact that so many act like they're God's chosen simply because they have so much free time and a camera. I wasn't talking about anyone, specifically, but if the shoe fits.
Once they do get paid or get freebies from anyone, especially by the Korean government or any governmental agency, they really should disclose it. A few do but most don't bother. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:31 am Post subject: |
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He runs a FOOD blog.
Good lord man...
If this bothers you so much, well, start your own blog or complain to the first ethics committee you find!
Seriously, this seems pretty personal to me. You are hounding this guy here pretty hard. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
He runs a FOOD blog.
Good lord man...
If this bothers you so much, well, start your own blog or complain to the first ethics committee you find!
Seriously, this seems pretty personal to me. You are hounding this guy here pretty hard. |
Actually he doesn't
http://zenkimchi.com/about/
he does more, or at least purports to do more than run a simple blog.
You already saw his behaviour in this thread and claimed to take him to task for it, and you brought up the issue over ATEK, I also brought up another questionable ethical issue. Since he's built him self in a position to apparently be trusted by foreign sources, who probably don't know any better, his behaviour is somewhat relevant I'd say. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: |
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I pmed the guy to tell him that some of the points he made were stupid as he was doing exactly what he was accusing people here of doing.
Outside of that, I do not care about this guy. He runs his food blog and seems to offer other services related to food and restaurants on his page. Good for him.
The issue over ATEK was nothing serious. He just raved and ranted in a podcast about something a couple of times, years ago.
I think so people here are making him out to be something he is not. Personally, I do not care what he does with his blog. You obviously do care, a great deal, so instead of posting about it here, do something about it since it seems to irk you. Seriously, not trying to offend you but you will accomplish nothing by posting here. |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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I think a lot of people just want food bloggers to display 'truth in advertising.' If a restaurant comped your meal or is paying you to advertise for them, just say so. This wouldn't be a big deal if no one read these blogs, but the truth is many expats (including- and especially- English teachers) do use the sites in deciding where to enjoy a meal and spend their hard-earned money. Some long-time expats may be sophisticated enough to spot a comped ad when they see one, but many others are not.
I think many of the posters here are right to say that a bit of transparency isn't too much to ask (heck, I thought that was journalism 101). Even slapping a quick disclaimer at the end ala the Suji's ad (lets call it what it is) is better than doing nothing and playing it off as a genuine opinion. Maybe the opinion is genuine, maybe not; the point is, make it clear if you were comped or not and then let the reader decide- simple as that. |
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Ok so I'm just getting now that zenpickle is this guy:
http://vimeo.com/34325817#t=17m58s
Dude, it's gotta be hard to say those lines with a straight face!
Anyway, I know there's been some criticism of you on this thread - I'm going to chalk up your response to a rash moment in judgement, because it didn't make a lot of sense, and like someone pointed out, you became the the same thing you were railing against.
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Guys, I know it's hard to handle this news, but the barrier of entry here ain't that big. All ya gotta do is try. It's easy to start a podcast. It's easy to start a blog.
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The fact that we're considered the "big bloggers" is that we actually got off our asses and tried. It wasn't that hard. |
Good writing, good phototography, and good broadcasting is very very hard, no matter if it's online or off. It's incredibly hard to do well.
In the early days, it was enough to start a site, and just try. There were so few websites it was easy to get attention. This is why it seemed so easy to you.
But consistent, quality writing and photography is really hard to do. The barrier to entry is even lower than before, but the quality of the material out there is much better, and it's harder to get noticed. The tools available are much better than they were 10 years ago, but being creative is still as hard as it ever was.
This is what I was driving at when I talk about the next wave: they are not "just trying", they're taking it pretty seriously and coming out with good stuff right out of the gate. They've upped the game, and I think the onus is on the first wave to step it up, or fade away. |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: |
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This is what I was driving at when I talk about the next wave: they are not "just trying", they're taking it pretty seriously and coming out with good stuff right out of the gate. They've upped the game, and I think the onus is on the first wave to step it up, or fade away. |
Agreed. Someone earlier in the thread said something along the lines of "If you don't like the blog, don't go." Well, advice taken. I've noticed myself visiting the second wave blogs much more frequently than those of the first wave (which I used to visit very frequently) just because the bar has been raised so much. Innovate or perish, I suppose.
I've found that a lot of first wavers have rested on their 'reputation' over the years and have slid into complacency, offering the same product today as they did 5-10 years ago (if they're still around at all). While they may have made a splash back then, the times they are a changin'. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing is permanent is it?
Blogs come and go, their audience changes...no big deal.
You can choose to visit other blogs without taking shots at zen's blog right?
All is well. |
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