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DIsbell
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 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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It's not that the Korean gov't has absolute control over every facet of music and meticulously pens each pop song to serve a concerted purpose, but rather that the Korean gov't actively makes use of and promotes music which it believes is beneficial to its goals and offers zero support (and sometimes restricts) music that it feels is detrimental to its goals.
For example, Korea wants to continue to develop its tourism and exports. K-pop (and Hallyu) has been determined to be useful in that regard, so you have TV channels in Japan and other Asian countries devoted to Kpop which are run by the Korean gov't. They also set up Kpop concerts in foreign countries. And please don't compare those to a USO show.
On the other hand, while you mention the increasing sexiness in Kpop, you can also find instances where the sexiness has been too much to bear for another one of the government's goals- chastity and a particular set of morals for the populace. If you recall around 6 months ago, the government made a list of music videos/songs that can't be played on public broadcast during certain hours to protect the children. Another instance was the banning of female navel/midriff on public broadcast. And of course, 30 years ago in the overtly authoritarian days, the incident I mentioned with Shin Joong-hyun.
Is all of this stuff unique to the Korean gov't? No. But your point about Kpop being the same as pop in other countries falls a bit flat because in most other countries, there are vibrant and extremely successful genres outside of pop. In Korea, most genres outside of pop seem to struggle and have very low visibility. On that note, I just want to remind you that just because something also happens in another country doesn't all of the sudden mean we can't talk about it happening in Korea. . |
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Steelrails
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| but rather that the Korean gov't actively makes use of and promotes music which it believes is beneficial to its goals and offers zero support (and sometimes restricts) music that it feels is detrimental to its goals. |
Yeah, so what? Corporations do that as well. Record labels do that as well. It's up to the listener to seek it out for themselves.
It's not like a rock/jazz fan can't find concerts, albums, and mp3s.
Also I think the government is supporting pop because pop, I know this sounds weird, is popular.
Sorry, not everyone in the world loves rock. Not everyone thinks Bob Dylan is great. Most young people around the world like pop, techno, or hip-hop. Korea is just like everywhere else in that taste. It is actually "back home" which is the exception, not the rule. In most nation's there isn't near the identity nor snobbery when it comes to music that exists back home. People in other countries are actually happy when someone else enjoys the same music as them, not suddenly consumed with a desire to move on to something else because "it's too popular".
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SO they booked some concerts? How is that brainwashing? Are the lyrics changed because they play in Thailand or Japan? Do they change their clothes? Are the Japanese or Thais being brainwashed and manipulated?
Or shocker, people in Japan and Thailand just like the music.
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| On the other hand, while you mention the increasing sexiness in Kpop, you can also find instances where the sexiness has been too much to bear for another one of the government's goals- chastity and a particular set of morals for the populace. If you recall around 6 months ago, the government made a list of music videos/songs that can't be played on public broadcast during certain hours to protect the children. Another instance was the banning of female navel/midriff on public broadcast. |
Here's an idea- maybe the market dictates increased sexiness, but a bunch of mothers call up the TV station or their representatives. In a compromise political-bureaucratic decision, midriff is banned. Pretty much every nation around the world limits cursing, sexual images, and smoking on public TV. That doesn't mean I can't find softcore porn on cable in Korea. That doesn't mean the government is that active.
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| And of course, 30 years ago in the overtly authoritarian days, the incident I mentioned with Shin Joong-hyun. |
30 years ago is a long time. The country was under military dictatorship. Things are different now. 30 years Czechoslovakia was a country and Poland was Communist. Can't really compare them then to now.
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| But your point about Kpop being the same as pop in other countries falls a bit flat because in most other countries, there are vibrant and extremely successful genres outside of pop. |
Usually hip-hop, which Korea has a ton of. Followed by techno, which certainly seems to work its way around here. Then usually some sort of music that people over 40 listen to, which is true here (trot). And then rock, jazz, and classical scenes, as well as traditional music. Same, here.
The more I do these kinds of threads, the more I can't help but wonder if these KPop bashers are a bunch of people butt-hurt that when they played Bob Dylan or their favorite hipster band for their students that none of them liked it. NOT EVERYONE LIKES ROCK. Remember the "Greatest Year in Music" thread? How many people listed albums outside of the rock genre? But the Koreans are the ones without diverse tastes?
Sorry, but to a lot of people rock sounds whiny (like Kpop ballads), immature (promotes juvenile views and acts), spoiled (born in the USA and whining about how bad their life is), bad vocals, can't empathize with the vocalist, no soul (its okay to be happy and not bleak), no groove, a lot of it you can't make love to or really dance to, etc. Some people view it as repetitive (a bunch of people banging around on guitars)
Now that's not necessarily true and there is plenty of rock which breaks that mold. I could find songs that would contradict every one of the descriptions above. But you have to understand why some people don't like rock and their perceptions.
Dancing is a big part of music. A lot of people want to groove. |
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adzee1
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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The more I do these kinds of threads, the more I can't help but wonder if these KPop bashers are a bunch of people butt-hurt that when they played Bob Dylan or their favorite hipster band for their students that none of them liked it. NOT EVERYONE LIKES ROCK. Remember the "Greatest Year in Music" thread? How many people listed albums outside of the rock genre? But the Koreans are the ones without diverse tastes?
Sorry, but to a lot of people rock sounds whiny (like Kpop ballads), immature (promotes juvenile views and acts), spoiled (born in the USA and whining about how bad their life is), bad vocals, can't empathize with the vocalist, no soul (its okay to be happy and not bleak), no groove, a lot of it you can't make love to or really dance to, etc. Some people view it as repetitive (a bunch of people banging around on guitars)
Now that's not necessarily true and there is plenty of rock which breaks that mold. I could find songs that would contradict every one of the descriptions above. But you have to understand why some people don't like rock and their perceptions.
Dancing is a big part of music. A lot of people want to groove. |
Why as soon as anyone mentions sub genres or not liking K-pop do you straight away start banging on about rock ? I dont like K-pop nor do I like rock that much either. In the UK there are many popular, yet credible genres which are not pop or rock and are very diverse. What about Drum and Bass, Trip-hop, Dub Step, Hip Hop (which is not in the charts) or Downtempo Electronica ( not Techno or House ) before you start.
These genres are easy "to groove " to as you put it and the songs are usually written by the artist, and not promoted to any extent by some government. It seems to me like you are the one with the very limited view on music, you think that if someone doesnt like K-pop then they must like Rock, Techno or commercial Hip Hop which is not really the case. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Why as soon as anyone mentions sub genres or not liking K-pop do you straight away start banging on about rock ? |
The audience. Look at the greatest year in music thread and then look at what everyone posts about.
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| Drum and Bass, Trip-hop, Dub Step, Hip Hop (which is not in the charts) or Downtempo Electronica ( not Techno or House ) before you start. |
I'd say those have about as much of a following as rock bands in Korea. I mean look at the charts back home. I don't see Madlib cracking the Top 20, I do see some whathaveyou by BlackEyed50Cent (I know I'm showing how out of touch I am with that).
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| Why as soon as anyone mentions sub genres or not liking K-pop do you straight away start banging on about rock ? |
Probably the same reason that some people assumed because I listened to the occasional song and don't recoil in horror at KPop that I must be some sad, 40 year old guy with a bunch of SNSD posters on my wall.
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| It seems to me like you are the one with the very limited view on music, you think that if someone doesnt like K-pop then they must like Rock, Techno or commercial Hip Hop which is not really the case. |
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| Drum and Bass, Trip-hop, Dub Step |
You do realize that KPop breaks down as well into ballad artists and pop-rock and stuff meant for younger crowds and stuff meant for 20-30 somethings, right?
Fine, I should have said "electronica" than "techno". It still falls into a broad category like Motown and Soul are part of R&B and Swing is part of Jazz.
Now I'm not saying there aren't significant differences, but generally a fan of "techno" will enjoy other electronic music genres or acid jazz or low key hip-hop. But those are not mainstream genres either. I'm sure you can find a scene for those in Korea if you look on the internets.
Furthermore, why is it "wrong" for people to like pop music? If you like it, listen to it. Isn't that the basic rule of music? Or should you listen to something you don't like just to make yourself not be a tool or to look sophisticated? |
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adzee1
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Why as soon as anyone mentions sub genres or not liking K-pop do you straight away start banging on about rock ? |
The audience. Look at the greatest year in music thread and then look at what everyone posts about.
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| Drum and Bass, Trip-hop, Dub Step, Hip Hop (which is not in the charts) or Downtempo Electronica ( not Techno or House ) before you start. |
I'd say those have about as much of a following as rock bands in Korea. I mean look at the charts back home. I don't see Madlib cracking the Top 20, I do see some whathaveyou by BlackEyed50Cent (I know I'm showing how out of touch I am with that).
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| Why as soon as anyone mentions sub genres or not liking K-pop do you straight away start banging on about rock ? |
Probably the same reason that some people assumed because I listened to the occasional song and don't recoil in horror at KPop that I must be some sad, 40 year old guy with a bunch of SNSD posters on my wall.
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| It seems to me like you are the one with the very limited view on music, you think that if someone doesnt like K-pop then they must like Rock, Techno or commercial Hip Hop which is not really the case. |
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| Drum and Bass, Trip-hop, Dub Step |
You do realize that KPop breaks down as well into ballad artists and pop-rock and stuff meant for younger crowds and stuff meant for 20-30 somethings, right?
Fine, I should have said "electronica" than "techno". It still falls into a broad category like Motown and Soul are part of R&B and Swing is part of Jazz.
Now I'm not saying there aren't significant differences, but generally a fan of "techno" will enjoy other electronic music genres or acid jazz or low key hip-hop. But those are not mainstream genres either. I'm sure you can find a scene for those in Korea if you look on the internets.
Furthermore, why is it "wrong" for people to like pop music? If you like it, listen to it. Isn't that the basic rule of music? Or should you listen to something you don't like just to make yourself not be a tool or to look sophisticated? |
Firstly the genres I mentioned DO have a large following in the UK, anyone who knows anything knows that the charts are a poor indicator of what is popular and what is good, I think the last time I even looked at the charts was around 1993 when I was 12 years old.
If they didnt have a large following please tell me how entire festivals and concerts dedicated mainly to those genres sell out every year ? Some artists who you may or may not recognise from those genres but would sell out most venues in the UK and many other countries in the world are Roots Manuva, Roni Size, Massive Attack, Marky, Portishead, DJ Shadow, DJ Vadim to name just a few
Just because Madlib doesnt crack the top 40 doesnt mean he is not good and it doesnt mean he doesnt have a large fan base, just look at how much material he has put out. 50 cent may sell lots of records but creative level Madlib puts him to shame.
Second point about the greatest year thread.. I dont think this forum is a good representation of what music most people like, for example I read it, thought about it, and decided It wasnt really worth writing a response, because different eras produce different styles of music, and are good for different reasons. Kind of like asking which year had the best weather ?
I am vaguely aware that there are different styles of K-Pop yes but I wouldnt say I am an expert, the only time I hear it is when I walking around Korea or in bars, shops etc.. and sometimes at school from my students and co-workers. All the stuff I have heard to me sounds bad.
With the Techno thing I think you are right in a sense and wrong in another. It really depends what kind of Techno you like, I personally dont like it as I find it quite repetitive. But yes I am sure to a certain degree that most techno fans do like other forms of electronic music.
I have a varied taste in music, living in 3 countries, and being married to a Latin American has also influenced this.
Regarding finding the scene here in Korea, yes I kind of have found one and I DJ in a bar here every few weeks, it was just through meeting like minded people out and about that this transpired.
With regards to whats wrong with liking pop music we have kind of been there before Steel, I dont know if we should start that one up again 
I have no problem with people liking "popular" music, I have a problem with people liking "manufactured" cheese ball pop. |
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DIsbell
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Strawman central, Derails.
I haven't posted in the Greatest Year for Music thread.
I don't exclusively listen to rock.
Again, the issue that most of us critical folk seem to have is not that Kpop is bad because it's pop(ular), but rather that it has a depressing market share (other genres are quite underrepresented), and is by and large manufactured by ajeossis and promoted by the Korean government.
To speak a bit more on the market share and overbearing presence of Kpop, it's tough to name more than a handful of acts that are wildly popular outside of Kpop. I guess there's Epik High and Tiger JK... maybe that YB group? But if you look at say, Britain, it's quite easy to name acts outside of bubblegum pop- Radiohead, Gorillaz, Del the Funky Homosapien, Adele (popular, but sings soul), etc. And of course there's a huge number of non-pop acts that aren't household names yet can tour the world successfully. For a country smaller than Korea, look no further than Canada, and as I've mentioned before, Japan has a greater level of diversity and has acts which tour well especially considering it, like Korea, largely produces non-English music.
I'll make it very clear for you: I dislike Bieber, the Jonas Brothers, the Pussycat Dolls, Britney, etc. Their music is shallow, their image is manufactured. They have little to no credibility. And frankly, I would avoid discussing music or doing anything music related with folks who really really like the aforementioned type of acts, and furthermore I'd be somewhat less inclined to socialize with them.
But you just had to do what I told you not to do- "Awwww but corporations do that too don't pick on Korea! You can't talk about that!" |
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Steelrails
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| Firstly the genres I mentioned DO have a large following in the UK, anyone who knows anything knows that the charts are a poor indicator of what is popular and what is good, I think the last time I even looked at the charts was around 1993 when I was 12 years old. |
I don't doubt that they have a large following, but pop is pop and record sales and downloads are record sales and downloads.
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| If they didnt have a large following please tell me how entire festivals and concerts dedicated mainly to those genres sell out every year ? Some artists who you may or may not recognise from those genres but would sell out most venues in the UK and many other countries in the world are Roots Manuva, Roni Size, Massive Attack, Marky, Portishead, DJ Shadow, DJ Vadim to name just a few |
And Korea has jazz and rock festivals and whatnot.
And believe it or not, most of the HS student music groups are not pop groups but rock bands. Now there probably aren't as many, but that's not to say that they are non-existent.
It's just that KPop is what brings everyone together. When you have people aged 22-45 at the company Noraebang night or a church group mixer you need something in common. KPop reflects the cultural phenomenon of the noraebang. That doesn't mean people don't listen to other stuff. But yes, generally rock is slightly less popular and hip-hop is slightly more popular.
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| I have no problem with people liking "popular" music, I have a problem with people liking "manufactured" cheese ball pop. |
Who cares how its made, isn't how it sounds the final result?
As I said, take your favorite song and have it be that suddenly it was brewed up by a lab. Does it cease to be your favorite song? Are all those good times and memories associated with the song now invalid because of how it was made? Are the notes less "real" because of how it was made?
On an aside, Madlib grates on me sometimes (probably because my ex-roomie overplayed him), but Del is pure gold.
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| Their music is shallow, their image is manufactured |
I'd submit that lyrically much of so called "good music" is shallow at times and artists there put on just as much an act in their "image". |
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brickabrack
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Usually hip-hop, which Korea has a ton of. |
Really?
It sounds like kpop to me. I've been given recommends
by koreans that claim to like hip hop and I don't see much
of a difference. I've mildly enjoyed some of it, but I've
heard all the beats and melodies years ago in american hip hop.
Hey, I'm trying to like some korean music...I really am. |
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adzee1
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Firstly the genres I mentioned DO have a large following in the UK, anyone who knows anything knows that the charts are a poor indicator of what is popular and what is good, I think the last time I even looked at the charts was around 1993 when I was 12 years old. |
I don't doubt that they have a large following, but pop is pop and record sales and downloads are record sales and downloads.
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| If they didnt have a large following please tell me how entire festivals and concerts dedicated mainly to those genres sell out every year ? Some artists who you may or may not recognise from those genres but would sell out most venues in the UK and many other countries in the world are Roots Manuva, Roni Size, Massive Attack, Marky, Portishead, DJ Shadow, DJ Vadim to name just a few |
And Korea has jazz and rock festivals and whatnot.
And believe it or not, most of the HS student music groups are not pop groups but rock bands. Now there probably aren't as many, but that's not to say that they are non-existent.
It's just that KPop is what brings everyone together. When you have people aged 22-45 at the company Noraebang night or a church group mixer you need something in common. KPop reflects the cultural phenomenon of the noraebang. That doesn't mean people don't listen to other stuff. But yes, generally rock is slightly less popular and hip-hop is slightly more popular.
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| I have no problem with people liking "popular" music, I have a problem with people liking "manufactured" cheese ball pop. |
Who cares how its made, isn't how it sounds the final result?
As I said, take your favorite song and have it be that suddenly it was brewed up by a lab. Does it cease to be your favorite song? Are all those good times and memories associated with the song now invalid because of how it was made? Are the notes less "real" because of how it was made?
On an aside, Madlib grates on me sometimes (probably because my ex-roomie overplayed him), but Del is pure gold.
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| Their music is shallow, their image is manufactured |
I'd submit that lyrically much of so called "good music" is shallow at times and artists there put on just as much an act in their "image". |
I know what record sales are and the artists I mentioned to you have have significant numbers of them, enough to make them wealthy enough to continue being musicians and putting out music for over 10 years, sometimes 20 years in the case of Massive Attack and Portishead, and that is without all the outside promotion that goes on in K-Pop.
Please dont even try and compare the jazz and rock festivals that Korea has with the festivals in the UK. We have over 300 different ones with a FULL range of different styles and genres.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_festivals_in_the_United_Kingdom
The most popular festivals here are the ones which have foreign, usually non pop, mainstream artists playing at them, such as the Jisan Valley Festival who will have Radiohead and the Stone Roses this year. Without artists such as them, would it still be worth going to ?
Your next point, If i go to a noreabang it usually involves getting drunk, that kind of numbs the pain slightly of listening to people sing badly. A " church group mixer " whatever that is, I dont want to have anything in common with people who would attend such an event, nor do I want to mix with them. Just the word " church" strikes the fear of god into me !!
Its not just how its made, its the fact that when its made in the manufactured cheesy way, it SOUNDS like it has been made in that way.
Not quite sure what you mean about the lab but im assuming you mean manufactured by a record company.
So finding out one of my favourite songs had been "made in a lab" wouldnt happen, because one of the reasons why I like them in the first place is they are original and have artistic merit, and the types of musicians I like generally speaking are also against manufactured pop music. |
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fosterman
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Kpop is cheese! if you like the cheddar then it's great, and the girls in the videos don't hurt.
but Korea has got some amazing musicians , but unfortunately like the west, they don't get air time. MTV is full of under 30yo olds more focused on under 20year olds. it wasn't that way in the 60's 70's 80s 90's but in now it's like these teen idols are ruling the airwaves. what the hell do they know about music really?
I mean they have had no time to mature, understand, respect other artists, master their craft, they just get on a video, make one hit tune and now they become mega stars! and they go around calling themselves musicians. what a disrespect to the true musicians out there.
I wish mtv would go back to how it was in the 80's and put on bands who make real music. for god sake, I mean either you want a new demographic or not, or perhaps they are happy with the 10-20 year old demographic. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Usually hip-hop, which Korea has a ton of. |
Really?
It sounds like kpop to me. I've been given recommends
by koreans that claim to like hip hop and I don't see much
of a difference. I've mildly enjoyed some of it, but I've
heard all the beats and melodies years ago in american hip hop.
Hey, I'm trying to like some korean music...I really am. |
If you really look, there are good Korean hip hop artists but they aren't usually mainstream. The popular version of Korean "hip hop" is just talking really fast over a K-pop beat. "Rappers" don't even write their own lyrics. Sometimes they don't even rhyme. The most mainstream hip hop artist right now is probably Tiger JK but he's not really active right now and I used to like him a lot better when he was in Drunken Tiger.
There is another guy named Samdi (or something like that) and while not popular, he is backed by JYP. I'm of the opinion that Korean isn't a great language for rapping, but this is one of the few guys I've heard who makes it work. I'm not a fan of his style of music, but I admit he is actually good. |
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Steelrails
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So finding out one of my favourite songs had been "made in a lab" wouldnt happen, because one of the reasons why I like them in the first place is they are original and have artistic merit, and the types of musicians I like generally speaking are also against manufactured pop music. |
Right, but if it so happened to turn out that way, would that invalidate the song.
Say one of your favorite songs is attributed to some classical composer, and it turns out 300 years later that it was actually made by "L'Academie de Paris" as some sort of collaboration solely to impress Grand Duke Surrender and to keep the patronaged Francs flowing. Does that ruin the composition in your sight or sound? Why should it matter how it was made if it sounds enjoyable?
Also doesn't the very nature of pop music dictate that it must be "manufacture" to an extent? As dance and dealing with larger fan bases dictates such? Also should a vocalist composer their own songs? Is it wrong for someone to perform music they didn't write? Is it wrong to sing a song written by someone else? Maybe that person can't sing or is a cripple.
Look, KPop is not high art. Heck its probably not even art. But I think,as I previously said, it should be judged on the merits of the genre, not the genre's merits.
I do "get it" though. I am a complete movie snob. I absolutely refuse to watch mainstream movies. But I don't think Transformers is some sort of brainwashing attempt by the government and I don't look down on or choose not to associate with people simply because they like popcorn movies. I don't think it speaks to their character. I don't think they are tools or simpletons. Quite simply, they are watching what they enjoy and what they like. If they say their favorite movie is Armageddon, fine. I don't see that as some sort of ill of society.
Regardless, there is something we are all guilty of going the pop/cheapy route. Either music or food or movies or books or clothes or something. And if you aren't generic in one of those you are either from 100 years ago or you're a liar or a complete bore. |
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Dave Chance
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Look, KPop is not high art. Heck its probably not even art. But I think,as I previously said, it should be judged on the merits of the genre, not the genre's merits. |
It is.
And it falls short.
Reminiscent of too many things, not the creator of much, an observation made by many. |
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duke of new york
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Sheesh...
K-pop sucks. Only Koreans and a handful of Japanese and French people like it. But it's OK that they like it, because people can listen to whatever kind of music they want. That goes for everyone in this thread, too.
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adzee1
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Right, but if it so happened to turn out that way, would that invalidate the song.
Say one of your favorite songs is attributed to some classical composer, and it turns out 300 years later that it was actually made by "L'Academie de Paris" as some sort of collaboration solely to impress Grand Duke Surrender and to keep the patronaged Francs flowing. Does that ruin the composition in your sight or sound? Why should it matter how it was made if it sounds enjoyable?
Also doesn't the very nature of pop music dictate that it must be "manufacture" to an extent? As dance and dealing with larger fan bases dictates such? Also should a vocalist composer their own songs? Is it wrong for someone to perform music they didn't write? Is it wrong to sing a song written by someone else? Maybe that person can't sing or is a cripple.
Look, KPop is not high art. Heck its probably not even art. But I think,as I previously said, it should be judged on the merits of the genre, not the genre's merits.
I do "get it" though. I am a complete movie snob. I absolutely refuse to watch mainstream movies. But I don't think Transformers is some sort of brainwashing attempt by the government and I don't look down on or choose not to associate with people simply because they like popcorn movies. I don't think it speaks to their character. I don't think they are tools or simpletons. Quite simply, they are watching what they enjoy and what they like. If they say their favorite movie is Armageddon, fine. I don't see that as some sort of ill of society.
Regardless, there is something we are all guilty of going the pop/cheapy route. Either music or food or movies or books or clothes or something. And if you aren't generic in one of those you are either from 100 years ago or you're a liar or a complete bore. |
It wouldnt happen so there is no point in even considering it, but if you insist lets say a song I really like and I thought was written by one person turned out to be written by another person, then yes I would think less of the artist and less of the song.
More so IF they had tried to give the impression that it was their own work. I would think yes its a good song, but the artist cheated by misrepresenting someone elses work as their own.
With regards to an singer writing their own songs then i think it depends on the artist and what they own abilities are. A good example would be Amy Winehouse, she sings a few songs written by other people BUT has the talent to write her own amazing songs and she didnt try and pass them off as her own or deceive anyone. The covers she sang were obviously writen by someone else but she put her own style onto the song and in my opinion has credibility.
I dont think its the same for some group who arrive at a studio, are giving pre-written lyrics to memorise, then perform, then edit the vocals to improve them. Yes this kind of pop music does dictate that it is usually manufactured and that is why I dont like it.
Like I said popular music such as Radiohead, Amy Winehouse, Gorillaz, I have no problem with and I like it, but its clear to the average adult that these artists have talent to produce innovative, creative music whether you like them or not. The same cannot be said for K-Pop, its not innovative, its not very creative, each group has a limited shelf life, and the music lacks any substance.
Yes about the movies, I too hate mainstream movies on the whole. I will watch the occasional one but it really depends on who is in it and what the story line is. I had the misfortune of watching " The Expendables" the other day and it just reaffirmed to me how much I hate the "USA is saving the world" style action movies. |
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