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DanseurVertical
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:23 pm Post subject: after school programs in public schools? |
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In my first month in Korea (2011) I met a teacher who taught after school classes at a public elementary school in SW Seoul. At the time I was teaching regular classes at a public middle school. I enjoy teaching and would prefer to work in a public school environment. Of course I completed my year of teaching regular classes, but the year was very tiring, since I am by no means well suited to work early morning hours. Yet I cannot work nights (past 7 or 8pm) either.
From how I understood, certain public schools commission private agencies to find for them a teacher for their after school classes. I do not clearly understand the arrangement or associated contract, but I am curious about positions like this.
If you have experience in such a position, please provide more detail about the nature of the work. In particular, the contract, typical pay, typical hours, number of different lessons per week, office location & hours, and anything else you judge relevant.
Any useful information is appreciated! |
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RK12
Joined: 19 Feb 2012
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: after school programs in public schools? |
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DanseurVertical wrote: |
In my first month in Korea (2011) I met a teacher who taught after school classes at a public elementary school in SW Seoul. At the time I was teaching regular classes at a public middle school. I enjoy teaching and would prefer to work in a public school environment. Of course I completed my year of teaching regular classes, but the year was very tiring, since I am by no means well suited to work early morning hours. Yet I cannot work nights (past 7 or 8pm) either.
From how I understood, certain public schools commission private agencies to find for them a teacher for their after school classes. I do not clearly understand the arrangement or associated contract, but I am curious about positions like this.
If you have experience in such a position, please provide more detail about the nature of the work. In particular, the contract, typical pay, typical hours, number of different lessons per week, office location & hours, and anything else you judge relevant.
Any useful information is appreciated! |
There's the TaLK program where teachers are hired to teach after school programs (or midday) classes to elementary school in rural areas for 1.5 mill a month. It'll be nowhere near Seoul, but it is for after school programs at public schools. |
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DanseurVertical
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: after school programs in public schools? |
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RK12 wrote: |
There's the TaLK program where teachers are hired to teach after school programs (or midday) classes to elementary school in rural areas for 1.5 mill a month. It'll be nowhere near Seoul, but it is for after school programs at public schools. |
Right, but the teacher I met works in Seoul. I'm aware of TaLK, but what I'm asking about is not relevant to TaLK.
DanseurVertical wrote: |
From how I understood, certain public schools commission private agencies to find for them a teacher for their after school classes. I do not clearly understand the arrangement or associated contract... |
Your contract, I believe, is with a private company. The school(s) where you teach contract with your company. Again, I do not clearly understand the arrangement, so if you have personal experience teaching such classes, please let us know about how this is done. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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missty

Joined: 19 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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^ Thanks for that link. I am actually looking into working in the Bundang/Suwon/Yongin area next year, and it looks like this company places people right in that area.
I worked in afterschool last year, and the hours were by and far the best thing. I worked 1-5:30, but was teaching straight through with five minute breaks. Obviously I also came in an hour earlier for prep work as well. My job was through a separate company, so I wasn't contracted directly through the school.
I can't really give a 'typical' idea of what after school is like, as I am sure most places are different. But I was on 2.3 with basic holidays, working about 24 hours a week. The downside was the parents had massive control over everything, and we would have bi-yearly observations where they would grade me on my class. But if you are a confident teacher with a few years under your belt then it shouldn't be an issue. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Are you teaching out of books like in a hakwon environment or do you have some freedom over your teaching or a bit of both? Is it like public school where they just non renew you if they don't like you or fire you with no warning like I have heard some hakwons do?
I'd like to use some hakwon style books but occasionally submit my own materials. I like having partial control and using my own power points in public schools. I think just reading a book from a desk like a hakwon all the time would be extremely boring. |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Seoul Special City
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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warmachinenkorea wrote: |
http://www.thinkoutsiderecruiting.com/after-school-program.php
This recruiter does hagwon, PS and after school.
These jobs are becoming more and more common. I know a few people here in Daegu that do it. |
I did this a few years ago. A word of caution, should a rift between the school and the company form, or if attendance/sign-up for the program drop the school could cancel the contract and you will be left without a job, that happened to me in the 9th month of my contract. No severence, no flight home, just a we're sorry but your job doesn't exist anymore.
That being said, I don't bear any ill will toward the company or even the school for that matter. I mean @#$% happens, they tried to find me a new job, but I wasn't really interested in what they had availible at the time. So I took an extended vacation before returning to work for SMOE.
And the job, while I had it, was great. The company had their own leveled textbooks/workbooks that were great. It was very easy to lesson plan based on the books, and the kids really made progress through the term. The classes were a good size (9-15 students) of course that might vary depending on the individual school. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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crisdean wrote: |
warmachinenkorea wrote: |
http://www.thinkoutsiderecruiting.com/after-school-program.php
This recruiter does hagwon, PS and after school.
These jobs are becoming more and more common. I know a few people here in Daegu that do it. |
I did this a few years ago. A word of caution, should a rift between the school and the company form, or if attendance/sign-up for the program drop the school could cancel the contract and you will be left without a job, that happened to me in the 9th month of my contract. No severence, no flight home, just a we're sorry but your job doesn't exist anymore.
That being said, I don't bear any ill will toward the company or even the school for that matter. I mean @#$% happens, they tried to find me a new job, but I wasn't really interested in what they had availible at the time. So I took an extended vacation before returning to work for SMOE.
And the job, while I had it, was great. The company had their own leveled textbooks/workbooks that were great. It was very easy to lesson plan based on the books, and the kids really made progress through the term. The classes were a good size (9-15 students) of course that might vary depending on the individual school. |
DId they give you medical and pension while you were there? |
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beckett
Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have any idea how early you should start applying? My public school gig ends in August but I'm already thinking about next year. I am starting studies soon and would like to have free time in the morning to get some extra work done. I suppose about May/June would be standard to start applying for a Septemeber start? |
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s.tickbeat
Joined: 21 Feb 2010 Location: Gimhae
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:55 am Post subject: |
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I worked for an after school program last year, and your entire experience will depend on the relationship between the school and the company that's been contracted. When I worked at one, the relationship started well and went very badly after one of the Korean teachers left. After she left, we were being told again and again to change things. The vice-principal of the public wanted more worksheets, then we were using too much photocopy paper; then she wanted more games, but we weren't studying hard enough; then more activities and songs but not for the older students; then more tests but the students complained. . .
Eventually, a few months after my contract ended, the contract was cancelled. I could see it happening, and it's why I didn't renew or re-sign.
I guess that the pros are REALLY good: really good hours, decent pay, and all the benefits of a standard contract (medical, pension, severance)
The cons are awful - at my school, the Korean teachers were paid based on enrollment, so the students basically ran that program. Their behavior was shockingly bad, and there were no consequences for fear of losing students.
Additionally, you have little job security. If the contract goes bust, you're toast. |
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jennad
Joined: 02 Dec 2010 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: after school programs in public schools? |
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DanseurVertical wrote: |
In my first month in Korea (2011) I met a teacher who taught after school classes at a public elementary school in SW Seoul. At the time I was teaching regular classes at a public middle school. I enjoy teaching and would prefer to work in a public school environment. Of course I completed my year of teaching regular classes, but the year was very tiring, since I am by no means well suited to work early morning hours. Yet I cannot work nights (past 7 or 8pm) either.
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I actually contacted Think Recruiting regarding the after school positions because they seemed like such a sweet deal. The problems are as follows:
They prefer to hire F2 visa holders because it's less of a hassle for them, so if you have an E class visa, the competition will be much stiffer. If you look at the available after school positions online, most of them say "F class visas only!" Everyone wants these jobs anyway, so the competition is already high.
The other issue is timing. In order to secure these jobs 95% of the time (according to several people I've talked to) you must already be in Korea with a visa that can transferred. It's not likely they will hire you if you're out of the country. These jobs come up quickly and need to be filled quickly, so they go after someone who already has a working visa that can be transferred.
So if you have an E2 visa, either you'd have to quit your job and hope your school would transfer the visa (not likely) or the opening of a new job would have to coincide perfectly with the ending of your current contract.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. This is just what I've been told. |
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