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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlb wrote:
Anyone with an interview offer? According to their ad, they're supposed to take place this Saturday and the next. I thought with my qualifications that I'd get an interview for sure. Hmm...anyway, hoping for the best.


whats your qualifications?
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masters, Celta, 5 years uni in Korea experience.
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlb wrote:
Masters, Celta, 5 years uni in Korea experience.


Related or unrelated Masters?
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unrelated, but in the humanities. If I'm not on the "A-List," that must be why.

But, a friend of mine applied with a Masters in Education, and uni experience and she hasn't got the interview yet, so it makes me think it's early still.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no mention of a CBC, does this mean that they're one of the few unis to actually get teachers E1s?
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Daryl69



Joined: 30 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:09 am    Post subject: E1 Check Reply with quote

Hi naturegirl321, correct, all new teaching hires are on an E1 visa (unless they have some other visa status due to naturalization or spouse).
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naturegirl321



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: E1 Check Reply with quote

Daryl69 wrote:
Hi naturegirl321, correct, all new teaching hires are on an E1 visa (unless they have some other visa status due to naturalization or spouse).


Hi Daryl, I think I know you! I'm going to Pm you, thanks for the reply!
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
they used to have a bad rep for horrible management and lots of teacher turnover but that was a long time ago. things may have changed.

Nope. Still pulling dirty tricks.

Yonsei University in Wonju. Several reasons for not working at this school. First, they will ask you to sign a contract only in Korean, promising the normal perks for working at a university, including severance at the end of the time with the university, then deny the payment. Two years of working, contract was changed and benefits were removed without discussion. Example, after the second contract, three months into the term, medical benefits were removed. Seclusion from department and non working relationship with director who refused to answer emails and only addressed issues through other workers given his lack of English skills and communication abilities. Now contracts are based on no medical benefits, cutting hours to allow for such deletions of benefits, after contract is signed. Also do not trust if they say severance is part of the package, because they will blame administration at the end saying sorry you did not qualify. If you work here, be warned....get everything in writing and only in English because this university is far from being ethical.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlb wrote:
3.5 mill/15 hours a week.

Not anymore. Now it is 2.5-2.8 for 18 contact hours per week. Additionally, vacation has been cut to about half of what it was.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotpants wrote:
I watched the Cullen Thomas story on Locked Up Abroad via YouTube a couple of weeks back. Clearly he was earning so well at the kindy that he needed to make extra money by drug dealing... Sad In the book was he marking up the 30 dollars as it would have been valued it today's money?

This is some kind of logical fallacy. (Is there a name for it?) He was earning good money (over $50 an hour in today's money) but drug dealing paid even more- $10,000 for mailing a package. I read a recent interview with him. He said he did it for the sense of adventure. (Good way to meet people and feel cool and special if you have something others don't I guess. It can change you from a nobody to a somebody. The problem is getting caught, which many don't consider.)


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Daryl69



Joined: 30 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject: What the... Reply with quote

Who comes up with this stuff?
The contract for Instructors was 12 weeks, cut to 10 weeks.
The contract for NTP's (being phased out) was 16 weeks, then cut to 14 weeks, then to 12 weeks. In both cases, as we no longer have camps it works out closer to 12 weeks for everyone.
None are "half the vacation time of what it was."
I have been at Yonsei for 6 years and NEVER seen a contract in Korean only. NTP's were given contracts in Korean and English.
NTP's as E1's don't get severance, but they do get an additional allowance per month. Due to law change, check that, LAW changes, severance for Instructors (as E2's) is only payable when they leave, not at the end of each contract.
The Dean is a figurehead and speaks good English, however Korean organisations as a whole are hierarchical and the person would need to speak to either a coordinator, or the Assistant Dean, who deals with the day-to-day running of the place.
Medical benefits - that was in the contract, however for Instructors, only for themselves, at Wonju Christian Hospital. For NTP's, for themselves and families, with the choice of either Wonju Christian Hospital, of Severance Hospital in Seoul. It was pointed out that this should not be in the contract as Yonsei University cannot compel a 3rd party, the hospital, to honour its contract.

But the facts don't make for such a good story...
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out the job ad on Dave's:
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=64463

Vacations:
A total of 10 weeks paid vacation


That's a big amount of vacation for a university position, just as long as before?

C'mon, man- vacation has been cut, salary reduced, and contact hours increased. It's as clear as day.

Earlier in a thread, an applicant was going on about four months vacation. (Was that ever true?; I notice you didn't correct her.) That'd be 17.33333 weeks of vacation. (Significantly more than 10.)

Clearly there's been a deterioration.

The site on which I read the review: http://blacklist.tokyojon.com

...but there is a green list there, too.

Perhaps you should do one for Wonju Yonsei. (Are you the foreign recruiter there?)
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Daryl69



Joined: 30 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Seriously? Reply with quote

Again, Instructor (E2's) vacation went from 12 weeks to 10 weeks.
NTP's (E1's, being phased out) went from 16 weeks (never more) to 14, then finally 12 weeks. Some people roughly amounts to 4 months in the eyes of some people. But it was never more than 16 weeks.
Not half!
Salary for Instructors when I started was 2.4 million per month for 24 hours, it was cut to 2.3 million per month for 19 hours, then increased (currently) to 2.5-2.8 million won per month for 18 hours.
NTP's have had no salary cut from 3.5 million won per month, but hours increased from 15 per week to 18 per week.
I know what I am talking about I was the supervisor/coordinator and involved in the contracts and recruiting for over 3 years before stepping down.

The ESL Blacklist is a joke site, but when my attention was drawn to it, I had a great laugh about it and told the new administration coordinator about it to act on or not. No action was taken. I only commented as it was re-posted on Dave's ESL Café, which people actually read.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this no medical or just being able to get treatment at Severance in Seoul or the hospital there is thiisssssss far above being hogwonish. I thought as a requirement of immigration giving an E2, E1 visa that they had to enroll you in NHIC unless they designated you as an IC (which now see is illegal after the CDI case) and thats when you have to enroll in NHIC on your own.

That to me would be the almost a non-starter for me. I don't want to get my medical care at my employer, no way you can guarantee privacy of your medical records that way

my advice is stay away
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Daryl69



Joined: 30 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:52 pm    Post subject: Paranoia... Reply with quote

Yonsei University and its various aligned hospitals are stand-alone entities, which is why guaranteed discounted treatment at Wonju Christian Hospital or at Yonsei Severence was removed from the contract. It is a 3rd party entity that cannot be compelled to offer the 50% discount on treatment that was removed from the contract, but to my knowledge honoured without guarantee.

"hogwonguy1979", at no point has it been suggested or intimated that Yonsei University staff are not enrolled in the NHIC! ALL Yonsei staff are enrolled in the NHIC on commencement of their employment. "hogwonguy1979" and for that matter "World Traveler", I am not sure what you have to gain by spreading misinformation as if you know what the situation at Yonsei University Wonju actually is.
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