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Ranking of Korean Universities for Terms and Conditions
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Hyeon In



Joined: 16 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
That's great...your comment: I don't know anyone who works there is a problem this thread was designed to solve.....


But.. it was unfortunately put on the internet... which is a pile of no-help.

My apologies for a post entirely lacking in use or substance. I strongly suspect most other replies will consist of conjecture or nonsense. Good luck filtering through the useful comments.

You probably should have regarded my post as a filler in between nuggets of gold.
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hubbahubba



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, now i feel guilty, so...

Mid tier Uni, not in Seoul

2.7
400 housing
12 hrs a week, usually with 2 "overtime" hours which pay garbage 15/hr
other assorted ot--toeic,camps, yada yada usually around 30
no camps--yet thank god
full vacay-5 months
good management

No, I will not recommend someone i met on an internet forum--lol
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hubbahubba



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm of the belief that uni administrators read this forum, soooo...posting up this info is probably not in our best interest..just a heads up
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyeon In wrote:
withnail wrote:
Alright then! Back on topic!

My friend thinks that of the "biggies", it is Yonsei (Not FLI) that is the best. He says they only advertise on their own website and the staff turnover is extremely low. Apparently unlike Seoul National or Korea Uni, Yonsei has the best ratio of attractive terms and conditions to amount of administrative interference.


I have a friend working there, it seems pretty OK. She has to share an office but the base pay seems much better than average.

I heard somewhere that Ehwa pays more for similar work. I don't actually know anyone who works there though.. I probably read it online. Does anyone know if there's any truth in this?


I see Ewha has an ad posted on Dave's for a position. Their contract conditions seem to have deteriorated. Only 6 weeks vacation now per break, manditory duties during each break, manditory writing clinic work.

I have heard that there is no housing and no severance.


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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubbahubba wrote:
i'm of the belief that uni administrators read this forum, soooo...posting up this info is probably not in our best interest..just a heads up


Yup. They are probably tracing your IP address right now.
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hubbahubba



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:

Yup. They are probably tracing your IP address right now.


heh-heh. Funny you would say that, but I do know of some mods who work here and can make threads "automagically" discapear. me i have tin foil, so i'm good to go. If you don't think there are snitches and suck ups in the world--more power to ya
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withnail



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea.

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two new entries: Here's the updated list:

Chonnam National: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52766

Ewha: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52765

Duksung: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52764

Soongsil: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52763

Sungkyunkwan: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52707

Seoul National: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52372

Seoul National LEI: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52822

Yonsei FLI (Kids): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52724

Sookmyung (Non Tenure Track): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52513

Sookmyung (1): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52241

Sookmyung (2) : http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52696

Sungshin Women's Univ: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52726

Keimyung University: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52681

Keimyung (2): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52243

Kongju National University: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52680

Catholic University of Korea: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52660

Hanyang (Seoul): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52560

Hanyang University (Ansan): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52657

Korean Nat Uni of Education: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52616

Myongji Univ (Yongin): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52600

Myongji Univ (Seoul): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52870

Yonsei (Wonju): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52567

Sunchon National: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52320

Korea Univ (Jochiwon): http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52271

University of Suwon: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52787

Jinju National: http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=52837
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Jimskins



Joined: 07 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My job=

+

Central Seoul
3.4 a month
12 hours a week (credit courses + you can create your own classes if you want) and you can make your timetable, one day off a week.
5 months vacation a year (no obligation to work camps but if you do I hear the pay is great)
Average class size is about 9 students.
Good administration that leave you alone.
Two-year contracts.

-
no housing
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GENO123



Joined: 28 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Overall quality of life. Reply with quote

There is much, much more to a university job than money some schools that pay more are really tough places to work with really demanding administrations. Some schools that pay less are nice places to work.

Money is not the only issue , rather it is overall quality of life you have while working at the school.

If your university is a high pressure and very demanding school then it is not worth the extra money. Not even close.

There are schools that pay more but treat their instructors terrible.

Money is only one factor that ought to be considered.

My advice is look for a nice place to work .
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: Overall quality of life. Reply with quote

GENO123 wrote:
My advice is look for a nice place to work .


Yeah, and start with the highest paying places first during your search.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimskins wrote:
My job=

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Central Seoul
3.4 a month
12 hours a week (credit courses + you can create your own classes if you want) and you can make your timetable, one day off a week.
5 months vacation a year (no obligation to work camps but if you do I hear the pay is great)
Average class size is about 9 students.
Good administration that leave you alone.
Two-year contracts.

-
no housing


The shame is that this is one of the better jobs out there, short of a Ph.d. Still, it isn't better than what I have worked up to at my place, given several years of service and housing stipend (knock on wood we still get it). Your base hours and class size are better. We are 15 base and 20-25 per class, average.

This is by no means me tooting my horn. It's me being sad that I will likely take a pay cut wherever I go, should I need to. Does your school have term limits?
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimskins wrote:
My job=

+

Central Seoul
3.4 a month
12 hours a week (credit courses + you can create your own classes if you want) and you can make your timetable, one day off a week.
5 months vacation a year (no obligation to work camps but if you do I hear the pay is great)
Average class size is about 9 students.
Good administration that leave you alone.
Two-year contracts.

-
no housing


That's a good job and in central Seoul. Not too many like it for foreigners in Korea.
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GENO123



Joined: 28 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: Overall quality of life. Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
GENO123 wrote:
My advice is look for a nice place to work .


Yeah, and start with the highest paying places first during your search.


I don't disagree , and I am certainly not apologizing for low paying universities (though there are ways to make them at least some of them work out pretty well by doing easy extra work ) just wanted to tell everyone to "be careful who they dance with" cause some universities -more than a few are really tough and miserable even horrible places to be at where you will have little peace of mind during the entire term and maybe past that. That they pay more doesn't come close making up for it.

If you end up spending 15 hours a week -or more correcting papers and another 12 hours a week preparing for class another 2 -3 hours doing paper work for class in addition to teaching your regular 12 hours each week , and your school is super sensitive about evaluations and you have to grade on a curve and your in charge professor or the like is a jerk then your job isn't so great even if you are doing better than 3.4 M .

It is not close to worth it. At least in my opinion it isn't .
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atwood



Joined: 26 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
Hyeon In wrote:
withnail wrote:
Alright then! Back on topic!

My friend thinks that of the "biggies", it is Yonsei (Not FLI) that is the best. He says they only advertise on their own website and the staff turnover is extremely low. Apparently unlike Seoul National or Korea Uni, Yonsei has the best ratio of attractive terms and conditions to amount of administrative interference.


I have a friend working there, it seems pretty OK. She has to share an office but the base pay seems much better than average.

I heard somewhere that Ehwa pays more for similar work. I don't actually know anyone who works there though.. I probably read it online. Does anyone know if there's any truth in this?


I see Ewha has an ad posted on Dave's for a position. Their contract conditions seem to have deteriorated. Only 6 weeks vacation now per break, manditory duties during each break, manditory writing clinic work.

I have heard that there is no housing and no severance.

No housing and work condiitons seem to be going downhill fast. They're micromanaging everything with a Korean director and assistant. Some of the instructors there think they're trying to force out all the old hands.

Still, all things compared, it's one of the better jobs. Everyone got bonuses over the winter just because their department had been getting great evaluations.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep waiting for another "oh, crap!" moment for institutions here, when they realize that not enough teachers are applying for positions. Alas, we're probably going to have 4 more years of Obama and 4 more years of this glorious "change" we have been experiencing *not*. This means we'll see far more applicants around for at least a few more years, and a lot of people in canceled public school jobs who want to stay willing to work for less.

One trend I have noticed is some long-termers with families are beginning to take off and move back home (mostly Canadians, due to the economy there). That is not necessarily good, as some of them simply feel that, with the cost of living increases and dropping job quality in Korea, they may as well head home.
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