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Gary Johnson - Libertarian for President - 2012
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
And notice that Gary Johnston, unlike Ron Paul, doesn't mention cutting U.S. military bases.

He may not have mentioned it in that ad, but if you took 3 seconds to do a quick google search, you would see that he is all for large cuts to the military...

Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are both libertarians, so naturally they have a lot more in common than they have differences. I (and presumably most other libertarian-leaning people) would vote for either.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
Libertarian?

Cut government spending on everything. Give corporations more money.

Bravo libertarians. Bravo.

Because we libertarians are all about the oil and farm subsidies... yeah.
You're pretty off-base on this one.

And you do know that most government spending goes to corporations, right?
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
Privateer wrote:
Libertarian?

Cut government spending on everything. Give corporations more money.

Bravo libertarians. Bravo.

Because we libertarians are all about the oil and farm subsidies... yeah.
You're pretty off-base on this one.

And you do know that most government spending goes to corporations, right?


He talked about cutting the corporate income tax, and he didn't mention cutting those subsidies. Why would he mention one and not the other? That seems suspicious to me, and I think suspicion of our leaders and would-be leaders is a healthy thing - even the ones you think of as 'your' candidate.

If he's for withdrawing U.S. troops from bases around the world then fair enough, he's may be as principled as Ron Paul. But no matter how principled a libertarian is, if they get in, they will find it easier to push through policies that serve the ruling class - such as public spending cuts - than those which do not - such as cutting farm subsidies.
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visitorq



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
comm wrote:
Privateer wrote:
Libertarian?

Cut government spending on everything. Give corporations more money.

Bravo libertarians. Bravo.

Because we libertarians are all about the oil and farm subsidies... yeah.
You're pretty off-base on this one.

And you do know that most government spending goes to corporations, right?


He talked about cutting the corporate income tax, and he didn't mention cutting those subsidies. Why would he mention one and not the other? That seems suspicious to me, and I think suspicion of our leaders and would-be leaders is a healthy thing - even the ones you think of as 'your' candidate.

If he's for withdrawing U.S. troops from bases around the world then fair enough, he's may be as principled as Ron Paul. But no matter how principled a libertarian is, if they get in, they will find it easier to push through policies that serve the ruling class - such as public spending cuts - than those which do not - such as cutting farm subsidies.

Suspicion is one thing; not doing basic research about a candidate's position is another... Libertarians are pretty well always against all subsidies, just as a general rule. You would be hard pressed to find any exceptions... Simply put, using government to steal money from the public and dole it out to special interests is the antithesis of the kind of free market economics most libertarians believe in. Gary Johnson is no exception, and has stated as such. Therefore, your suspicion in this case is unfounded.

From the horse's mouth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhkU_08WQ0o
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a socialist myself. I would however consider some forms of Libertarianism safe anti-Marxist versions of conservatism. I admit that I do have a non-offensive attitude towards certain kinds of Libertarianism.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
I admit that I do have a non-offensive attitude towards certain kinds of Libertarianism.

And there are plenty of socialist concepts that aren't bad either, but I believe that power corrupts and human greed ruins almost everything the State does. I'm sure some people would find it ironic that, as a libertarian, I think that greed (when wielding the power of government) is one of the greatest threats to stability and prosperity.

Of course I also believe that greed, when armed only with voluntary buying/selling/employment, is the only viable engine of prosperity. So the libertarian view of government might come into some clarity here...
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OpEdNews May 11, 2012

OpEdNews May 11, 2012
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As Governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson called the War on Drugs a failure, comparing it to alcohol prohibition in the 1920′s and 1930′s. He became one of America’s highest ranking elected officials to advocate legalizing marijuana, calling for it to be handled as a health issue rather than a criminal offense.

During his debate with runner-up R. Lee Wrights at the Libertarian Party National Convention, Johnson said, “We should be able to make our own choices when it comes to drugs…. [The] Libertarian Party, 40 years ago, talks about legalizing drugs. Well now, in this country, we’re at a tipping point. We’re at a tipping point where 50% of Americans now want to legalize marijuana. That has never happened before, and who deserves credit for that? The Libertarian Party deserves credit for that.”

According to Wikipedia , Johnson used medical marijuana to control pain from 2005 to 2008 after a paragliding accident left him with a broken vertebra, knee, and rib.

Johnson also scores big on other civil liberties issues. In fact, the American Civil Liberties Union gave him a higher score than President Obama or any of the Republican candidates in its 2012 Candidate Report Card on Civil Liberties .

Johnson supports gay marriage and wants to repeal the “Patriot” Act. He opposes government interference with the Internet, torture of prisoners, and invasive Transportation Security Administration procedures.

By contrast, President Obama and Mitt Romney both supported extension of the “Patriot” Act, “enhanced interrogation” of prisoners, and current TSA security measures. President Obama has been criticized for being non-committal on gay marriage , and signed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement last October without submitting it to the Senate for approval.

Johnson opposed military intervention in Afghanistan and Libya. He has promised to cut the military budget 43% in his first year, including closure of several overseas bases.

Johnson is against government bailouts of private corporations. He is also opposed to unnecessary government spending, and has promised to submit a balanced budget to Congress in 2013. When Johnson was termed out of office in 2003, New Mexico was one of only 4 states that had a balanced budget.



OpEdNews May 11, 2012
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Gary Johnson started a door-to-door handyman business to pay his way through the University of New Mexico. His business eventually became one of the largest construction companies in the state.

Although he was only allowed to participate in two of the Republican Party presidential debates this year, Johnson came up with the best one-liner of the entire campaign season when he said, “My next-door neighbor’s two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than [Obama's] administration.”

Gary Johnson is probably the most accomplished athlete in the 2012 contest. He has climbed Mount Everest. In fact, he has climbed the highest mountain on 4 continents. He has competed in Hawaii’s Ironman Triathlon Championship several times, and competed in the eight-day Adidas TransAlps Challenge bike race. He has even run a 25 mile desert race wearing combat boots and a 35 pound backpack. And he was on his high school track team in Albuquerque.




OpEdNews May 11, 2012
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Johnson’s running mate, James P. Gray, is a retired judge who lives in Newport Beach, California. He earned his undergraduate degree from UCLA, and a law degree from the University of Southern California. He spent 23 years on the bench in the Santa Ana Municipal Court and the Orange County Superior Court. Before that, he taught in the Peace Corps, served in the Navy’s Judge Advocate General’s Corps, and worked in private practice.

Judge Gray is best known for advocating drug decriminalization. He spoke in favor of the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 and helped write the Regulate Marijuana Like Wine initiative.

Gray has written a musical and three books, including Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed: A Judicial Indictment of War on Drugs and A Voter’s Handbook: Effective Solutions to America’s Problems . He also writes a weekly column for the Daily Pilot, a newspaper in Newport Beach, California
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
comm wrote:
Privateer wrote:
Libertarian?

Cut government spending on everything. Give corporations more money.

Bravo libertarians. Bravo.

Because we libertarians are all about the oil and farm subsidies... yeah.
You're pretty off-base on this one.

And you do know that most government spending goes to corporations, right?


He talked about cutting the corporate income tax, and he didn't mention cutting those subsidies. Why would he mention one and not the other? That seems suspicious to me, and I think suspicion of our leaders and would-be leaders is a healthy thing - even the ones you think of as 'your' candidate.

If he's for withdrawing U.S. troops from bases around the world then fair enough, he's may be as principled as Ron Paul. But no matter how principled a libertarian is, if they get in, they will find it easier to push through policies that serve the ruling class - such as public spending cuts - than those which do not - such as cutting farm subsidies.


I think you are confusing the Libertarian Party with the Republican Party.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Public Policy Polling:
May 15, 2012

Obama up big in New Hampshire
Barack Obama has a healthy lead in PPP's newest poll of New Hampshire, quite a shift from the polls we did in the state last year. He's at 53% to 41% for Mitt Romney. When PPP last looked at the general election in the state, July, Romney was up 46-44. In April of last year Obama led by just a 47-46 margin.

Gary Johnson gets 7% when included as a third party candidate in New Hampshire. He draws a little bit more from Romney than Obama, increasing the President's lead in the state to 13 points at 51-38.


New Hampshire:
May 15, 2012 polling:

53% Obama
41% Romney
6% Undecided/other

With Gary Johnson:

51% Obama
38% Romney
7% Johnson
4% Undecided/other


New Gary Johnson spot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ELWM9VS1PJQ#


Now, North Carolina:

46% Obama
44% Romney
6% Johnson
4% Undecided/other
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um...

Well, no.

I'm not bothering with research when there's a campaign ad in me face.

Strike One-Is this about there being no taxes and some fruit-of-the-loom proselytizing about the injustice of taxation?

Strike Two-Is this about how big business is suddenly going to behave better because of some fruit-of-the-loom logic about free markets?

Strike Three-Is this about some States Rights pappycock that will allow neolithic states to maintain neolithic policy?

If these are issues, then explain why unfreezing the House of Representatives wouldn't help all of the above moreso than the planks in your podium.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Nowhereman's comments make no sense. What were you on when you wrote that?



Gary Johnson supporter and future Libertarian head of the DEA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wWWOJGYZYpk


It's time to free America's Political Prisoners:

1/6 people in prison are there for marijuana.

750,000 people in prison for victimless crimes.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:

It's time to free America's Political Prisoners:

1/6 people in prison are there for marijuana.

750,000 people in prison for victimless crimes.


He's weak. Even if by some act of God he became POTUS the various lobbies would grind him up. Only a very strong leader will be able to end things like the drug war or the empire. Liberal democracy is mobs of drooling masses passionately voting to support the system imposed on them by the elite. The only way to meaningfully change the system is to change the elite. Libertarians aren't psychologically there yet. Beltway libertarians like Johnson would only make things worse.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penn Jillette endorses Gary Johnson:


http://bcove.me/k7u29vxz



Penn Jillette on the Drug War, again, as above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wWWOJGYZYpk
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
ontheway wrote:

It's time to free America's Political Prisoners:

1/6 people in prison are there for marijuana.

750,000 people in prison for victimless crimes.


He's weak. Even if by some act of God he became POTUS the various lobbies would grind him up. Only a very strong leader will be able to end things like the drug war or the empire. Liberal democracy is mobs of drooling masses passionately voting to support the system imposed on them by the elite. The only way to meaningfully change the system is to change the elite. Libertarians aren't psychologically there yet. Beltway libertarians like Johnson would only make things worse.


Not a sentence you typed is true, so I'll focus on the last. Gary Johnson was governor of New Mexico. He's never served in Washington, either in Federal government or as a lobbyist there.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
He's weak. Even if by some act of God he became POTUS the various lobbies would grind him up. Only a very strong leader will be able to end things like the drug war or the empire.
Only a leader that puts principle before his or her career could succeed in those things. There's almost no one with a D or R next to their name who doesn't have their career and favor-swapping at the front of their mind.

Someone who puts principle above reelection is free to give lobbyists the finger and do what needs to be done. In particular, the President has total and absolute authority over military deployments AND Federal prosecutors. One day in office and Johnson could set in motion the end of the drug war and the global empire.
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