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Leon



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
GF wrote:
Assuming for the purposes that I held the reins of power, I would legislate to prevent them having any positions of influence over my fellows.

Additionally, those men suspect of spreading heresies would come under scrutiny. If however they could keep their impious views to themselves, they would not face state sanctions, though unless they were able to disguise them effectively (“live a lie”), they would very probably face social rejection.


Honestly, it really does sound a lot like Saudi Arabia, which is interesting given Titus said, "I think it is up to people like you to make the case of where to go," yet simultaneously seemed irritated with Leon when he suggested a Saudi-like society is what it would all end up with. Maybe further explication would reduce the apparent similarity. Then again, maybe not.


Perhaps they would say the main difference is that Saudi's follow the wrong God. I think that part of it is that ideologues don't like looking at practical applications of their ideology because it never works out quite like it does on paper, or in these cases blog posts. Also note, that rather then spending time defending their views, they tend to attack other's views, or the current system. People act differently out in the world then they do on paper. I think that the only reactionary states that fit the mold that we are talking about here are Middle Eastern kingdoms, and if they don't want to own those, then where is any sort of proof that this system is well suited for a modern age? Especially now since the peasants have internet and can easily discover when and how wrong their Godly leaders are, or the benefits that other societies have.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why Saudi Arabia? Why not Bhutan from 25 years ago?

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In 1907, an epochal year for the country, Ugyen Wangchuck was unanimously chosen as the hereditary king of the country by an assembly of leading Buddhist monks, government officials, and heads of important families. The British government promptly recognized the new monarchy, and in 1910 Bhutan signed the Treaty of Punakha, a subsidiary alliance which gave the British control of Bhutan's foreign affairs and meant that Bhutan was treated as an Indian princely state. This had little real effect, given Bhutan's historical reticence, and also did not appear to affect Bhutan's traditional relations with Tibet. After the new Union of India gained independence from the United Kingdom on 15 August 1947, Bhutan became one of the first countries to recognize India's independence. On 8 August 1949, a treaty similar to that of 1910, in which Britain had gained power over Bhutan's foreign relations, was signed with the newly independent India.

In 1953, King Jigme Dorji Wangchuck established the country's legislature – a 130-member National Assembly – to promote a more democratic form of governance. In 1965, he set up a Royal Advisory Council, and in 1968 he formed a Cabinet. In 1971, Bhutan was admitted to the United Nations, having held observer status for three years. In July 1972, Jigme Singye Wangchuck ascended to the throne at the age of sixteen after the death of his father, Dorji Wangchuck.


Bhutan's state religion is Vajrayana Buddhism and Bhutan forbids attempts to convert. It pursues Gross National Happiness instead of Gross National Product.

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In the 1990s, Bhutan expelled or forced to leave nearly one-fifth of its population in the name of preserving its Tibetan Mahayana Buddhist culture and identity, claiming that those expelled were illegal residents.
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GF



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
GF wrote:
Assuming for the purposes that I held the reins of power, I would legislate to prevent them having any positions of influence over my fellows.
Additionally, those men suspect of spreading heresies would come under scrutiny. If however they could keep their impious views to themselves, they would not face state sanctions, though unless they were able to disguise them effectively (“live a lie”), they would very probably face social rejection.

Honestly, it really does sound a lot like Saudi Arabia, which is interesting given Titus said, "I think it is up to people like you to make the case of where to go," yet simultaneously seemed irritated with Leon when he suggested a Saudi-like society is what it would all end up with. Maybe further explication would reduce the apparent similarity. Then again, maybe not.


I don’t know much about Saudi Arabia. From what I understand, the dominant sect is the Wahhabis, who espouse a form of Islam which I find ‘morphologically’ similar to what the Church has condemned as Jansenism: anti-clerical and iconoclastic moral rigourists. On that basis alone I think it’s safe to posit large cultural and institutional differences between modern Saudi Arabia and the Catholic state I champion.

That isn’t to diminish potential points of similarity. In addition to the suppression of heresy (as they define it) and the significant overlap in understanding of the natural law, there is the refusal to bow to the revolutionary ideology of human rights, the continued use of corporal punishment, and the suspension of commerce during holy days/hours, to mention a few. Again, I don't know much about Saudi Arabia.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
I'm glad to see GF has ultimately brought his A-game.

But can he tie it all in to bash egalitarianism?


You need me to create a Burn It All reactionary thread? Anyway, it ties.

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which is interesting given Titus said, "I think it is up to people like you to make the case of where to go," yet simultaneously seemed irritated with Leon when he suggested a Saudi-like society is what it would all end up with. Maybe further explication would reduce the apparent similarity. Then again, maybe not.


I don't know if GF and I would ajitate for the same sort of society. I'd be happy to live in a well run Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Christian society.

GF, I and people like us need to heed the advice of Aleksandr Dugin (a very close advisor to V. Putin):

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/535689_449701845118799_1733953276_n.jpg

The USA, Canada and other Anglo societies are a total lost cause so pissing and moaning is about all we can do here. Great things happening in Europe though.

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Are you familiar with Matt King ?


I'm not. I have some time to read this weekend... Provide some links?
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/ed-dept-eyes-charge-kids-bullied-1-beaten-students-victims-race-hate-mom-sez-article-1.641476
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CITY EDUCATION OFFICIALS are investigating the claims of a pair of boys from Oklahoma who moved to Brooklyn to experience diversity, and instead say they got schooled in racism and violence. Mom Lisa Brown, 33, told the Daily News she relocated her family from their small Oklahoma town so her husband, a Brooklyn native and social worker, could more easily find work and her sons could experience different people and ways of life. Brown enrolled her sons, Sloan, 12, and J.

T., 13, at Ebbets Field Middle School in Crown Heights. But when the boys, who are white, showed up, their mom said, they got a chilling indication of what was to come. "Oh my gosh, we are going to have fun this year," a security guard muttered, according to Brown. Things quickly got worse. Sloan was beaten mercilessly, called "cracker" and "white boy," and chased into traffic by his new classmates, his family said. The abuse got so bad that Sloan routinely bolted out of the building to find his brother and run to a nearby subway, dodging verbal and physical attacks, he said. "It almost makes me cry," Sloan said. "I'm scared to go back.


Stupid woman. I can imagine her in the rural white town complaining about red necks and the lack of diversity.. She wrote a check her kid had to cash.

This is why white people move mountains to get their kids into 'good schools'. Usually, white liberals know that they're full of crap and don't put their kids in the line of fire. It takes a true believer to make a mockery of it.

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" The brothers skipped school all last week while their parents tried to sort out the mess. "Do I have to send the National Guard in to get my children an education?


You had to send in the National Guard to ruin your kids education. It might work in the reverse.

xxxx

Completely unrelated, my #1 favourite Kali Yuga moment of this year so far is this:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/photo-of-the-century-shoot-out/

The terrorist hijacked a car with a COEXIST bumper sticker!
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I missed this:

GF wrote:
Now, if we believe Titus, these neoreactionaries are men in transition, currently in a destructive phase, so on that basis I hold out some hope that they will someday perceive the futility of their political opinions and elect for a constructive effort. On that day they may be worthy of the traditional society they wish for.


Do you follow the PUA guys? They (huge generalizations) started out as playboys wanting to get more ass than toilet seats and then had a collective moment of clarity they call the 'red pill' and now actually demand a society more conservative than John Ashcroft's wildest dreams! It's been a trip to watch. These guys started with "Christian values are stupid" and ended up with "American Christians are candyasses who aren't willing to enforce their True values." Their playboy lifestyles left them so empty inside they want to smash it to pieces to the next generation doesn't have to suffer similarly. Even the gay ones! It's crazy.

Problem is there is no leadership and no brake on the more insane elements. What I find fascinating is that right-wing Anglo websites will run articles by Jack Donovan (former go-go dancer at gay SF nightclubs), Mark Hackard (Eastern Orthodox), Richard 'Build a New Rome' Spencer, Dugin, Nick Land, Rossie, Pat Buchana, Derb, Gavin McGinnis etc and the rest. All these different factions are converging into a single, disorganized and half-crazy tent. The more white men are pushed out of the mainstream the bigger this tent will get.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
GF, I and people like us need to heed the advice of Aleksandr Dugin (a very close advisor to V. Putin):

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/535689_449701845118799_1733953276_n.jpg


Despite some significant shared beliefs, I see Dugin as one of those insane elements you spoke of. He emanates political fanaticism. It is certainly worrisome that the man who wrote and identifies with this:

Dugin wrote:
The second path, the "Left Hand Path", sees all in an inverted perspective. Not dairy tranquility, but black suffering; not silent calm, but torturous, fiery drama of splitted life. This is "A Path of Wine". It is destructive, terrible, anger and violence reigns there. For the one who is going by this path all reality is perceived as hell, as the ontological exile, as torture, as immersion into the heart of some inconceivable catastrophe originating from the heights of space. If in the first path everything seems as good, in the second — as evil.

[...]

The threads of ancient knowledge lead to Marx, Nechaev, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara....The Wine of socialist revolution, pleasure of revolt against forces of fate, sacred berserk passion to total destruction of all that is black for the sake of finding new, unearthly Light...


is close to Vladimir Putin.

Titus wrote:
The USA, Canada and other Anglo societies are a total lost cause so pissing and moaning is about all we can do here. Great things happening in Europe though.


You and many others on the new right are oriented to action and power. This type needs spiritual direction or the fruits will be bad. How many recognize this ?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/28/Pentagon-Consults-Extremist-Who-Calls-Christians-Monsters-and-Enemies-of-the-Constitution-to-Develop-Religious-Tolerance-Policy
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“Today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation’s armed forces.”

Those words were recently written by Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), in a column he wrote for the Huffington Post. Weinstein will be a consultant to the Pentagon to develop new policies on religious tolerance, including a policy for court-martialing military chaplains who share the Christian Gospel during spiritual counseling of American troops.

Weinstein decries what he calls the “virulent religious oppression” perpetrated by conservative Christians, whom he refers to as “monstrosities” and “pitiable unconstitutional carpetbaggers,” comparing them to “bigots” in the Deep South during the civil rights era.


xxx

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Despite some significant shared beliefs, I see Dugin as one of those insane elements you spoke of.


I will probably agree, but I'm not even 1/8 th through The Fourth Political Theory. It reminds me of The End of History and I keep putting it away.

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You and many others on the new right are oriented to action and power. This type needs spiritual direction or the fruits will be bad. How many recognize this ?


In North America it is a nothing movement and will forever be nothing. In Europe the New Right is tied in with religion.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/28/Pentagon-Consults-Extremist-Who-Calls-Christians-Monsters-and-Enemies-of-the-Constitution-to-Develop-Religious-Tolerance-Policy
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“Today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation’s armed forces.”

Those words were recently written by Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), in a column he wrote for the Huffington Post. Weinstein will be a consultant to the Pentagon to develop new policies on religious tolerance, including a policy for court-martialing military chaplains who share the Christian Gospel during spiritual counseling of American troops.

Weinstein decries what he calls the “virulent religious oppression” perpetrated by conservative Christians, whom he refers to as “monstrosities” and “pitiable unconstitutional carpetbaggers,” comparing them to “bigots” in the Deep South during the civil rights era.


xxx


I was thinking of posting this.

Anyway, I might be eligible for Hungarian citizenship.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GF wrote:
I was thinking of posting this.


Lev Bronstein and the Red Army for some reason jumped into my brain.

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Anyway, I might be eligible for Hungarian citizenship.


My best buddy is in that process now. So far has been relatively painless.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22383453

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A head teacher of a leading primary school has said young children should not have best friends because it could leave others feeling ostracised and hurt.


So this has made the BBC.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not tyrannical (nothing on this thread has been tyrannical), but ridiculous and stupid.

Duke University Approves Gender Confirmation Surgery Insurance Coverage For Students

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The Duke Chronicle notes coverage will begin this fall.

“The addition of sexual reassignment surgery with a $50,000 cap makes Duke’s student health care plan one of the most, if not the most, transgender-inclusive plans in the country,” Sunny Frothingham, the incoming outreach chair for Blue Devils United (BDU), an advocacy group for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ) undergraduates, is quoted by the Chronicle as saying. “This is a huge step forward for Duke.”

BDU's president echoed Frothingham's sentiments.

“This is really important symbolically for the Duke community," Jacob Tobia, president of BDU, is quoted as saying. "I hope that this will help us remain really competitive as an institution when recruiting students, because I know that in the past we have had transgendered students that have been extremely successful at Duke, including merit scholars.”

As Campus Reform points out, the University of California, Berkeley added coverage of up to $75,000 for students who wish to undergo gender confirmation surgery last year. The university will fund 90 percent of the operation.


The Higher Education Bubble is frothing.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4752

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The Department of Justice (DOJ) and Department of Education (DOE) are set to force all U.S. colleges and universities to adopt a restrictive and illegal speech code, in an attempt to curb sexual harassment on campuses, a well-respected academic watchdog group is alleging.

A watchdog group is alleging the federal government is now mandating all colleges and universities in the country adopt unconstitutional speech code.

The charges, made by The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) in a press release, are based on a letter the DOJ and DOE sent jointly to the University of Montana on Thursday, instructing administrators to adopt a broad definition of sexual harassment.

That definition, according to the letter, must include “any unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature,” including “verbal conduct,” even if an “objectively reasonable person of the same gender in the same situation” does not deem such contact offensive.


The repression of speech to protect the hurt feelings of a grievance group despite ""objectively reasonable person of the same gender in the same situation” does not deem such contact offensive" is a sign that USG approaching the left singularity.

http://blog.jim.com/politics/left-political-singularity.html#more-2104
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Left wing repression tends to make things lefter, which tends to worsen left wing repression, which makes things even lefter, which … The process only stops when the latest despot starts to realize he is not left enough, he is being outflanked on the left, is going to be overthrown by those even lefter than himself, and promptly executes everyone important who is even lefter than he is.


These days I think they can skip the execution and merely destroy the ability to earn a living.

http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/feminists-assaulted-in-transgender-attack-at-portland-conference-for-social-change-womens-books-destroyed-and-bodies-defaced-with-permanent-magic-markers/
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Breaking News: In what has been described as a “horrifying” incident two women were attacked by a group of men who identified themselves as “transgender women” at the Portland State University “Law and Disorder Conference” which billed itself as a “provocative space for comparative critical dialogue between activists, revolutionaries, educators, artists, musicians, scholars, dancers, actors and writers”.

The women were attacked in a coordinated assault as they sat at a table which sold feminist books and literature. The men destroyed the books and marked up the table display with permanent markers. One of the women was also marked up by the men. Predominantly male conference onlookers by all reports allowed the attack to take place, watching in stunned silence. Two males affiliated with the same group as the feminists -Deep Green Resistance- were also in attendance and the “trans women” threw a projectile at the head of one of them.

According to reports, the transgender males or “trans women” took issue with the feminist content in the Deep Green Resistance materials. Specifically, a portion of the materials reflected the feminist position that social roles based on sex are undesirable and harmful to women.

The transgender males believe that social roles based on sex are natural and innate and that it is instead the unchanging nature of biological sex that is undesirable. They believe that women should not criticize social roles based on sex, in deference to the feelings of men like themselves who embrace such roles. The men reportedly stated that all feminist writing and voices should be silenced by males with force if necessary, and they then proceeded to do just that.


At least the freak show/left singularity has an entertaining self-cannibalization angle to it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:

The repression of speech to protect the hurt feelings of a grievance group despite ""objectively reasonable person of the same gender in the same situation” does not deem such contact offensive" is a sign that USG approaching the left singularity.

Freedom of speech has always been limited when it severely curtails the rights of others. No one but the most extreme would suggest the right to yell "fire" in a crowded building. Likewise, it's been shown that the effects of sexual harassment go far beyond simple "hurt feelings".

Summary of thread: Some fringe people say/do something ridiculous, this must mean clear evidence of tyranny of left politics and/or egalitarianism.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

akcrono wrote:
No one but the most extreme would suggest the right to yell "fire" in a crowded building.


Please stop saying this.
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[T]hose who quote Holmes might want to actually read the case where the phrase originated before using it as their main defense. If they did, they'd realize it was never binding law, and the underlying case, U.S. v. Schenck, is not only one of the most odious free speech decisions in the Court's history, but was overturned over 40 years ago.

First, it's important to note U.S. v. Schenck had nothing to do with fires or theaters or false statements. Instead, the Court was deciding whether Charles Schenck, the Secretary of the Socialist Party of America, could be convicted under the Espionage Act for writing and distributing a pamphlet that expressed his opposition to the draft during World War I. As the ACLU's Gabe Rottman explains, "It did not call for violence. It did not even call for civil disobedience."

The Court's description of the pamphlet proves it to be milder than any of the dozens of protests currently going on around this country every day:

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It said, "Do not submit to intimidation," but in form, at least, confined itself to peaceful measures such as a petition for the repeal of the act. The other and later printed side of the sheet was headed "Assert Your Rights."


The crowded theater remark that everyone remembers was an analogy Holmes made before issuing the court's holding. He was explaining that the First Amendment is not absolute. It is what lawyers call dictum.


It is overruled dictum. So its meaningless. And its association with a case that forbade peaceful war protest makes it illegitimate.
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