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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ersatzredux wrote:
It WAS bullshit, just like I said:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/02/201321810059550903.html

Rolling Eyes

But this really is to be expected.


Aljazeera? Come off it. That's one step above the National Enquirer when it comes to credibility when talking about the U.S or Israel.

http://www.meforum.org/3147/al-jazeera


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In the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Fouad Ajami traveled to Qatar to write a profile on Al Jazeera Arabic (AJA) for The New York Times Magazine. In the cover story "What the Muslim World Is Watching," he wrote, "Jazeera's reporters see themselves as 'anti-imperialists.' Convinced that the rulers of the Arab world have given in to American might, these are broadcasters who play to an Arab gallery whose political bitterness they share—and feed."[6]

Virtually all of the channel's journalists, he found, were either leftist, pan-Arab nationalists, or Islamists. "Although Al Jazeera has sometimes been hailed in the West for being an autonomous, Arabic news outlet, it would be a mistake to call it a fair or responsible one," he wrote. "Day in and day out, Al Jazeera deliberately fans the flames of Muslim outrage."[7]



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If there was any doubt about Al Jazeera's sympathies and lack of neutrality, it was effectively laid to rest with the channel's coverage of the release of Samir Kuntar. Kuntar had savagely murdered two Israelis in 1979, including a 4-year old girl, and had been jailed in Israel since then. On his 2008 release in an Israel-Hezbollah deal, Al Jazeera Arabic threw him a party: "Brother Samir, we wish to celebrate your birthday with you," crowed the station's Beirut bureau chief, hailing Kuntar as a "pan-Arab hero
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didn't even bother to read it, did you? But I do have to hand it to you for being able to commit at least three logical fallacies in one post. Congratulations!
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Titus



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Propaganda works.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/99-of-americans-consider-iranian-nukes-a-threat/
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The Gallup poll found that 99 percent of Americans believe the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program is a threat “to the vital interests of the United States in the next 10 years,” with 83% saying it was a “critical threat” and another 16% saying it was an “important, [but] not critical” one. Just 1% declined to say it was at least an important threat.


99% of people believe something that doesn't exist (assuming the proles heard "nuclear program" and thought "nuclear weapons program") is a threat to the "vital interests" of the US.

It is possible to make 99% of the people believe in anything.
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GENO123



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:

. Gareth porter is a Khmer Rouge apologist.

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/deniers.html

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North Vietnam/Viet Cong

* Gareth Porter, The Myth of the Bloodbath: North Vietnam뭩 Land Reform Reconsidered [PDF]
The key bloodbath-denial work, relying on official communist propaganda sources.
Robert F. Turner, Expert Punctures o Bloodbath� Myth: Gareth Porter Refuted [PDF]
Point-by-point refutation of Porterthesis. Porter could barely speak the language he accused others of mistranslating!
Hoang Van Chi, Reply to Gareth Porter [PDF]
An early historian of the land reform rebuts the charge that he was a CIA propagandist.
-- War Crimes Deniers
* Gareth Porter, The 1968 hue Massacre� [PDF]
* Edward Herman and Gareth Porter, The Myth of the Hue Massacre [PDF]
Porter and Herman denied the Viet Cong massacre of thousands in the South Vietnamese city of Hue - even though the perpetrators repeatedly admitted their responsibility.
Robert F. Turner, The Fonda Fallacies
Robert J. Caldwell, She뭩 Still Hanoi Jane
On Jane Fonda뭩 conduct during the Vietn



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In 1976-77, continuing his challenge to the bloodbath argument, Gareth Porter rejected early accounts of the mass killings by the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia. With George Hildebrand he wrote a book, Cambodia: Starvation and Revolution, which documented the deaths from starvation of thousands of people in Phnom Penh in the last months of the war in Cambodia and argued that there was a legitimate basis for sending most of the population of Phnom Penh -- much of which had been refugees from rural areas -- back to rural areas. Critics have argued that the book's sources included official statements from Khmer Rouge media about the availability of food in rural areas. Testifying before Congress in May 1977, Gareth Porter said that "the notion that the leadership of Democratic Kampuchea adopted a policy of physically eliminating whole classes of people" was "a myth fostered primarily by the authors of a Readers Digest book."[10] Congressman Stephen J. Solarz compared Gareth Porter to those who denied the murder of 6 million Jews in the Nazi Holocaust. Gareth Porter rejected this comparison and cited reporting by reputable news outlets in support of this position...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Porter
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ersatzredux wrote:
You didn't even bother to read it, did you? But I do have to hand it to you for being able to commit at least three logical fallacies in one post. Congratulations!


Actually I did.

As for logical fallacies it would seem that you are the one not bothering to read your own posts/links sir.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/aipacs-asks-no-sequester-and-a-one-night-war/
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Besides exemption from any sequester cuts in American aid, the other big “ask” for AIPAC is for America to fight a war with Iran on its behalf. Stressing the Iranian danger was the essence of Netanyahu’s taped message to the conference. It’s the heart of the Graham-Menendez resolution, which seeks to create a political atmosphere in which American military support for an Israeli attack is automatic. One Israeli general at the conference claimed that in asking America to attack Iran, Israel really wasn’t asking for very much. In a somewhat patronizing talk, he tried to be understanding. You, said General Yadlin, fear another war, while Israelis fear a holocaust. But, he explained, America’s “fear” is quite groundless: “This is not a war, this is a one-night operation.” Can we expect to hear more more of this in the future: an effortless war, in that easy to remember phrase—”a one-night operation?” (I’m reminded of the late Richard Ben Cramer’s unequaled analysis of hasbara when he was growing up: “A land without people for a people without land”—which slipped as easily into the American consciousness as “Winston tastes good like a cigarette should.”)


More gigantic epic earth moving lies.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
ersatzredux wrote:
You didn't even bother to read it, did you? But I do have to hand it to you for being able to commit at least three logical fallacies in one post. Congratulations!


Actually I did.

As for logical fallacies it would seem that you are the one not bothering to read your own posts/links sir.


Well if you did how did you miss the fact that source for the claims made in the article were from the Bulgarian chief prosecutor himself?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ersatzredux wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
ersatzredux wrote:
You didn't even bother to read it, did you? But I do have to hand it to you for being able to commit at least three logical fallacies in one post. Congratulations!


Actually I did.

As for logical fallacies it would seem that you are the one not bothering to read your own posts/links sir.


Well if you did how did you miss the fact that source for the claims made in the article were from the Bulgarian chief prosecutor himself?



I wasn't discussing that. I was discussing the validity of Al-jazeera's reporting (and general impartiality or lack thereof).

But to address your comment two things:



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The big news, however, was that the telecom firm Maroc Telecom serves essentially the entire North African region. That would connect the bomber to North Africa and thus contradict the Hezbollah hypothesis: Hezbollah has no known operational bases in North Africa, whereas al-Qaeda has a number of organisations operating in the region.


1) Because there are no known bases it does not follow that there are no bases at all. Shoddy reasoning.


2) "himself"? I do believe the chief prosecutor in the case was a female...in which case the proper pronoun would be "herself". Speaking of missing facts...that is perhaps the most elementary and basic one to miss.

But then again I do read the articles I link to (as I did the article you linked) and maybe it is not fair to hold others to those same exacting standards.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
Propaganda works.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/99-of-americans-consider-iranian-nukes-a-threat/
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The Gallup poll found that 99 percent of Americans believe the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program is a threat “to the vital interests of the United States in the next 10 years,” with 83% saying it was a “critical threat” and another 16% saying it was an “important, [but] not critical” one. Just 1% declined to say it was at least an important threat.


99% of people believe something that doesn't exist (assuming the proles heard "nuclear program" and thought "nuclear weapons program") is a threat to the "vital interests" of the US.

It is possible to make 99% of the people believe in anything.


Disappointing but true. Even with the advent of the internet there just isn't any critical thinking to go around. In any case, popular optinion will be created by those with power, fact and truth be damned.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:

Disappointing but true. Even with the advent of the internet there just isn't any critical thinking to go around. In any case, popular optinion will be created by those with power, fact and truth be damned.


We have to stop thinking in terms of citizens being "critical thinkers" etc. It doesn't work like that.

Humans react on a subconscious level to sights, feelings, imagery, tones, colors. This is how advertising works. They hit your irrational mind in a way you can't control and make you want to consume xyz. They manufacture needs. Advertising never ever says what a product is, how it compares to competition etc. It's all tone, pictures, sounds..

The same for propaganda. The vast majority of the population has no idea what is going on in their heads. They're bombarded by propaganda. For virtually 100pc of Americans, the only time they hear "Iran" it is quickly followed or preceded by "nuclear". Association. It's like beer commercials. They will always put the beer in a setting so that we associate the setting with the product. Watching NBA? Better have a Bud Light. Same with Iran. Iran = Nuclear. That's all that matters. Citizens have no idea otherwise. Iran = Nuclear. Over and over and over and over again.

So we're left in a pickle.

We can not expect the citizens to survive this propaganda and make sensible decisions when voting. Election campaigns are nothing more than a giant product association exercise.

He who makes the propaganda wins. The people who are making the propaganda are god damn evil. Unless "we" (meaning the non-evil community) can steal the tools of propaganda, the United States, France, UK, etc will make war against humanity until the end of time.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO the US is running out of enemies. Every other nation on the planet is kissing their boots and the ones that aren't have nuclear deterrents to keep them from being bullied (Pakistan, India, China). Once Iran is invaded what's left?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
IMO the US is running out of enemies. Every other nation on the planet is kissing their boots and the ones that aren't have nuclear deterrents to keep them from being bullied (Pakistan, India, China). Once Iran is invaded what's left?


North Dakota has nukes, too, dontcha know.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
IMO the US is running out of enemies. Every other nation on the planet is kissing their boots and the ones that aren't have nuclear deterrents to keep them from being bullied (Pakistan, India, China). Once Iran is invaded what's left?


Russia. Putin is busy reclaiming the wealth of his country. He's killing and jailing the people who ripped his nation off.

Never forget "We're All Georgians Now". Almost got a war guarantee for Georgia.
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