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Unposter
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I really don't understand why a decline in population is such a bad thing...the planet is stretched to its limits as is with population. I mean do we really need to breed like rabbits with the world the way it is today?
On the other hand, it may lead to (by necessity) redistributions of the world's population and more internationalization. More open borders and more "international" education not more parochialism is what is necessary - kind of like Gates and Buffet going to China and giving a lecture on the need for Philanthropy - (an interesting concept in of itself if I may say so).
-Or- we can bury our heads in the sand and say its not my problem. Each man to himself. Build up walls to keep everyone else out and protect what we got. That is the other solution - though not one that I would favor. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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The decline in population is not a bad thing if it is even and measured. As it is, few skilled workers will have to pay alot of taxes and have a hard time raising kids in order to fund pensions for old people.
Importing tons of unskilled labour is good for the company, but bad for the society. It reduces wages for the unskilled workers, and lessens their political clout. It also contributes very little to the prospects of supporting the pensioners, as the little they pay in taxes does not make up for the social programs they use (I think)
If you could import lots of skilled labor with an interet in adopting your culture it will work. If you import lots of poor people with no interest in becoming a part of the culture it is a disaster. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I really don't understand why a decline in population is such a bad thing...the planet is stretched to its limits as is with population. I mean do we really need to breed like rabbits with the world the way it is today?
On the other hand, it may lead to (by necessity) redistributions of the world's population and more internationalization. More open borders and more "international" education not more parochialism is what is necessary - kind of like Gates and Buffet going to China and giving a lecture on the need for Philanthropy - (an interesting concept in of itself if I may say so).
-Or- we can bury our heads in the sand and say its not my problem. Each man to himself. Build up walls to keep everyone else out and protect what we got. That is the other solution - though not one that I would favor. |
Move people from low consumption nations into high consumption nations (thereby increasing consumption) or move people from high consumption nations into low consumption nations (who will turn it - if in sufficient numbers - into higher consumption nations)? Which?
You've not thought this out. Gates is trying to decrease african fertility. He's trying to diminish the number of africans. True. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Japan Sinks Into Recession as Abe Calls for More Stimulus Steps
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Japan뭩 economy sank into recession in the second and third quarters, fueling opposition leader Shinzo Abe뭩 calls for more stimulus and highlighting the risk that weak growth will derail a planned sales-tax rise.
Gross domestic product shrank an annualized 3.5 percent in the three months through September, the Cabinet Office뭩 second estimate showed in Tokyo today, matching a preliminary reading. The government revised the previous quarter to a 0.1 percent contraction, matching the textbook definition of a recession. |
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/japan-s-economy-contracts-more-than-forecast-in-third-quarter.html |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Japan Sinks Into Recession as Abe Calls for More Stimulus Steps
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Japan뭩 economy sank into recession in the second and third quarters, fueling opposition leader Shinzo Abe뭩 calls for more stimulus and highlighting the risk that weak growth will derail a planned sales-tax rise.
Gross domestic product shrank an annualized 3.5 percent in the three months through September, the Cabinet Office뭩 second estimate showed in Tokyo today, matching a preliminary reading. The government revised the previous quarter to a 0.1 percent contraction, matching the textbook definition of a recession. |
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/japan-s-economy-contracts-more-than-forecast-in-third-quarter.html |
Japan's economy has been "contracting" for 30 years now... Yet they still have some of the best goods and services on the planet, and arguably a higher standard of consumer quality than any other country in the world.
Japan is proof that deflationary economics does not = a depression. If anything is hurting the economy, it's the continued stimulus plans and pork-barrel spending (i.e. building roads to nowhere, which the Japanese gov't is notorious for). The Japanese private sector is good for the most part, but the Japanese government is one of the most incompetent and wasteful I've ever seen. |
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