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Zackback



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: Voter Fraud Reply with quote

Hear about it every election it seems.
Dead people voting, buying votes, voting machines malfunctioning, etc.

Can the numbers of these instances be so large to alter the election?
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Leon



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get the supreme court on your side, then there is no telling what you can do.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to this it can.

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html
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Retired NSA analyst Michael Duniho has worked for nearly seven years trying to understand voting anomalies in his home state of Arizona and Pima County. This publication has written extensively about apparent vote machine manipulation in a 2006 RTA Bond issue election that is still being fought in the courts. Said Duniho, “It is really easy to cheat using computers to count votes, because you can’t see what is going on in the machine.”

When Duniho applied a mathematical model to actual voting results in the largest voting precincts, he saw that only the large precincts suddenly trended towards Mitt Romney in the Arizona primary – and indeed all Republicans in every election since 2008 – by a factor of 8%-10%. The Republican candidate in every race saw an 8-10%. gain in his totals whilst the Democrat lost 8-10%. This is a swing of up to 20 point, enough to win an election unless a candidate was losing very badly.

The idea of examining large precinct results came via a link to a report written by Francois Choquette and James Johnson. Choquette became curious about South Carolina primary results in the February Republican contest. There a poll observer noted an unusually big gain of votes for Mitt Romney in larger precincts than in smaller ones. Choquette wanted to know why?

He examined and applied all of the normal statistical markers to see where a variance might occur: income level, population density, race, urban vs. rural, even party registration numbers. He found no correlation to explain why Romney votes trended upward while Paul and Santorum votes trended downward -yet only in large precincts.

In Ohio, GOP consultant Michael Connell claimed that the vote count computer program he had created for the state had a trap door that shifted Democratic votes to the GOP.

He was subpoenaed as a witness in a lawsuit against then-Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, and lawyers for the plaintiff asked the Dept. of Justice to provide him with security because there were two threats made against Connell’s life by people associated with Karl Rove. But in Dec. 2008, before the trial began, Connell was killed in a plane crash outside Akron Ohio.


A study by the Quantitative Methods Research Team at the University of California at Berkeley found that anomalies between Florida counties using touch-screen voting and those using other methods could not be explained statistically. Noting the higher-than-expected votes for Bush in three large Democratic counties, Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach, Michael Hout, a Berkeley professor who did the study said there were strong suspicions of vote-rigging.

“No matter how many factors and variables we took into consideration, the significant correlation in the votes for President Bush and electronic voting cannot be explained,” Hout said. “The study shows that a county’s use of electronic voting resulted in a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush. There is just a trivial probability of evidence like this appearing in a population where the true difference is zero—less than once in a thousand chances.”


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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Voter Fraud Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
Hear about it every election it seems.
Dead people voting, buying votes, voting machines malfunctioning, etc.

Can the numbers of these instances be so large to alter the election?


Bush lost the election and won the presidency.... maybe it can alter an election.

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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been a string of GOP scandals these last few weeks about them schlubbing around with their voter suppression plans.

Clue: Whatever the GOP (movement conservatives) whine about, you can be 100% Rovian sure that that is what they are up to themselves.

Beware.
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Zackback



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/


Is voter fraud being committed in Ohio?

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Two volunteer poll workers at an Ohio voting station told Human Events that they observed van loads of Ohio residents born in Somalia — the state is home to the second-largest Somali population in the United States — being driven to the voting station and guided by Democratic interpreters on the voting process. No Republican interpreters were present, according to these volunteers.

While it’s not unusual for get-out-the-vote groups to help voters get to the polls, the volunteers who talked to Human Events observed a number of troubling and questionable activities.

A source, who wishes to remain anonymous, is a volunteer outside the Morse Road polling center. She has witnessed Somalis who cannot speak English come to the polling center. They are brought in groups, by van or bus. The Democrats hand them a slate card and say, “vote Brown all the way down.” Given that Sherrod Brown is the incumbent Democrat Senator in Ohio, one can assume that this is the reference.

Non-English speaking voters may use an interpreter. The interpreters are permitted by law to interpret for the individual voting; however, they are forbidden from influencing their vote in any way. Another source who also wishes to remain anonymous has seen Democrat interpreters show the non-English speaking Somalis how to vote the Democrat slate that they were handed outside. According to this second source, there are not any Republican Somali interpreters available.

The logical follow-up question is whether a non-English speaking person is an American citizen. Although Republican leadership in Ohio passed a voting reform law, it was repealed by the legislature itself after the Democrats threatened a referendum. According to the Ohio Secretary of State’s web site, someone wanting to vote early in Ohio must supply one of the following in writing on the absentee ballot form, whether voting early by mail or in person: an Ohio driver’s license number; the last four digits of the social security number; or a copy of a current and valid photo identification, military identification, or a current — within the last 12 months — utility bill, including cell phone bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the person’s name and address in addition to the voter registration acknowledgement.

The voter is not required to show the driver’s license or social security card, but must merely write it on the absentee ballot request form. While the individual would be required to show a utility bill, bank statement or other printed document if he or she chooses that option, this is in lieu of writing the driver’s license or social security number. Therefore, the information cannot be checked against the Bureau of Motor Vehicles or other state databases. Essentially, a person is asked to check a box stating that they are a citizen, and the poll worker is to trust that they are the person who is listed on the item being shown or the information being written. In other words, someone can be an illegal resident of the state of Ohio and the United States, get an apartment, turn on the heat, bring in the Columbia Gas bill, register to vote by the deadline, and vote by showing that same bill. There is then no verification that this individual is a citizen of the United States.

Matt McClellan, the press secretary for Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, explained, “There is a process to challenge a voter’s eligibility. The point in time for a challenge to be brought ended mid October. A poll worker could challenge a voter if they had questions as to whether or not a voter was registered or eligible to vote.” However, if the poll worker does not raise the issue at the time the voting occurs, that person’s vote will otherwise be counted on election day along with everyone else’s vote. McClellan was not aware of any reports of irregularities at the Morse Road voting place in Franklin County.

Two phone calls and a text message to the Public Information Office at the Franklin County Board of Elections were not returned.

According to the Somali Community Association of Ohio’s web site, over 45,000 Somalis live in Ohio. Only 40 percent have become citizens of the United States, and only 25 percent speak English well enough to get a job.

The second source mentioned has seen voter intimidation at this same voting place. A Mitt Romney bus stopped near the voting center, approximately 30 Democrats who were outside handing out the slate cards rushed over to the bus. They yelled at the bus, and swarmed around its door when anyone attempted to exit the bus. This, from the “tolerant left.”

All elements of this story are still developing and will be updated as new information is uncovered. Stay tuned.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counting issues already in Florida?
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An analysis of the unofficial totals by early voting location on the Broward Supervisor of Elections website from Saturday, compared to the tallies posted on Sunday, shows that in one location, the E. Pat Larkins Community Center, located on Martin Luther King Blvd. in Pompano Beach, the revised totals showed 1,003 fewer votes. The initial tally reported from the polling place in the heavily black neighborhood showed 2,945 votes, but the revised tally was 1,401. Across the 17 Broward polling locations, 15 saw their vote totals revised, mostly by minute amounts of between 1 and 7 votes. But the three more significant changes, including the addition of 398 votes in Tamarac (a racially mixed community) and adding 99 votes to the totals from Pompano Beach City Hall, whose demographic is majority white.

http://thegrio.com/2012/10/29/florida-early-vote-totals-revised-raising-questions/?fb_ref=http%3A%2F%2Fthegrio.com%2F

But not to worry, Anonymous has your back (depending on what side you're on).
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With the recent revelation of vote manipulation in multiple states, what many suspected appears to be coming to pass. Once someone identifies the electronic fingerprint of a data routine, it is easy to trace. With the vote manipulation fingerprint identified now, it will now be easy for a group with the resources to find specific cases of vote “flipping,” that is, taking votes from one candidate and applying them to another as during the GOP primaries.

Anonymous members, well-known for their dismantling of pedophile rings, botnets and other illegal activities, operate as electronic vigilantes. They can and do break into systems and whisk away key evidence which has put criminals behind bars. And now, the antics of the GOP party bosses, such as Karl Rove and his American Crossroads organization, are in their sights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98frqrKFnQ8
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.marionstar.com/article/20121031/NEWS03/310310009/Problem-found-board-elections?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1



MARION — Joan Stevens was one of several early voters at the polls on Monday. But when Stevens tried to cast her ballot for president, she noticed a problem.

Upon selecting “Mitt Romney” on the electronic touch screen, Barack Obama’s name lit up.

It took Stevens three tries before her selection was accurately recorded.

“You want to vote for who you want to vote for, and when you can’t it’s irritating,” Stevens said.

Stevens said she alerted Jackie Smith, a board of elections member who was present. Smith declined to comment, but Stevens says she mentioned that the machine had been having problems all day.

Stevens also reported the issue to Sophia Rogers, the director of the board of elections for Marion County.

Rogers said the machine worked fine when she and others tried voting on it. No one else had reported problems with the voting machines malfunctioning.

Rogers suggested the issue may have been caused by not hitting the button directly or tapping with more than one finger. Stevens was aware the machine had to be operated a certain way.

“I know how to do the voting,” Stevens said.

Despite no problems with that particular machine, Rogers decided to take all precautions. She contacted the vendor and had them inspect the device.

“Because of her issue, we had that machine recalibrated,” Rogers said. “I am certain the equipment works properly.”

Rogers said that those still skeptic about using the electronic stations have the option of filling out a paper ballot, even voting from home and mailing via absentee ballot.

Voting in-person is open daily to all voters at 222 West Center Street through Election Day on November 6. All qualified Ohio voters can also submit an absentee ballot by filling out a form found at the Marion elections website at marionelections.com
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

America's voting machines are completely unreliable and untrustworthy. Even putting aside the possibility of deliberate tampering (which seems to very much exist), technical difficulties can clearly occur, and unlike the technical difficulty listed above, they may not always be noticed and/or corrected. Giving those who are "skeptical" another alternative is insufficient: whether you're skeptical or not has no bearing on whether these machines accurately record and report votes, which is a paramount issue when it comes to elections.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need national ID like Korea does. Present it when you vote.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

newb wrote:
We need national ID like Korea does. Present it when you vote.


Why? The # of incidents that an ID would help stop is negligible.

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The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. With 146 million registered voters in the United States, those represent about one for every 15 million prospective voters.


Uh oh!



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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree it is not an objective issue except for those who want to reduce the number of voters, but from what I have seen, the Right is gearing up for an excuse to discount the '12 election as legitimate should they lose.

We are not quite yet at a pre-revolutionary stage, I don't think, but we are zeroing in on a very nasty scenario, if Romney loses...or even worse, a split between the popular vote and the electoral vote.

A very large share of the electorate is being groomed to feel entitled (ummm...isn't the Right entitled to the presidency?) to win this time around and erase the 'stain' of a black/mulatto president?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

newb wrote:
We need national ID like Korea does. Present it when you vote.


If the Federal government were to require national IDs for any activity reserved to the State regulation, such as voting, it would be an unconstitutional Federal usurpation of State police power.
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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:

A very large share of the electorate is being groomed to feel entitled (ummm...isn't the Right entitled to the presidency?) to win this time around and erase the 'stain' of a black/mulatto president?


You and I do not occupy the same planet:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/03/maher-if-you-vote-romney-black-people-know-who-you-are-and-will-come

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/02/as-election-day-nears-obama-supporters-step-up-riot-threats/

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We need national ID like Korea does. Present it when you vote.


ID should be necessary to vote. I can't believe people actually argue against this. If the Dems were actually concerned with stupid people not getting ID's in time they wouldn't throw a tantrum 2 months before the election but instead get out and Community Organize the stupid people into ID's. Right? So if it is a problem this election, we have 4 years to get them ID's for the next.

I don't know why it needs to be national. States issue non-driving ID's for those who want them. They cost 25$ in Florida.

Also, do we want people who don't have sufficient future time orientation to get an ID to vote? If you can't remember to get an ID (or bizarrely don't have one) are you really the quality voter democratic theories assume?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohio's Provisional Ballot Order

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[T]he secretary of state [of Ohio] has just doubled down on his position about incomplete provisional ballots. If he was wrong on Thursday, you could say, he was even more wrong on Friday. And that will likely mean a Monday ruling from Judge Marbley which will then be appealed into Tuesday (and beyond) to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Folks, the legal fight for Ohio's votes is already here and here to stay. Here from The Columbus Dispatch are the money quotes:

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"The bottom line is that (Secretary of State Jon Husted) designed a form that violates Ohio law by improperly shifting to voters the poll workers' information-recording responsibilities regarding ID to voters, and then he wants to trash votes where there is a problem with the form on the section he misassigned to voters," said Cleveland attorney Subodh Chandra, who filed the motion ....

Husted spokesman Matt McClellan said the Friday directive actually was designed to concur with the Oct. 26 order of U.S. District Court Judge Algenon Marbley in a legal dispute over provisional ballots. "We wanted to make sure we complied with those directions," McClellan said. Voters will complete the same form they did in the March primary and August special elections. We're not doing anything new," he said. "Voters have to provide ID when they vote provisionally."


This dispute is important for many reasons. First, it's probably the most direct evidence yet that Ohio will be counting its provisional ballots for days or even weeks past Tuesday. The blossoming argument above assumes as it must that there will be a great deal of anxious vote counting after Election Day. This scenario hasn't exactly been a secret. But here's an actual live dispute for us all to watch. It's also a reminder that anyone rooting for a resolution Tuesday night (or early Wednesday) ought to hope that it doesn't all come down to Ohio. If it does, it will be weeks -- and one judicial hearing after another -- before we have an answer.
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