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Seoul confirms escape of N. Korean defector couple
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
Exactly. They "escaped"?? We're they being held here? Did they have restrictions on their travel (like in the North)?


South Koreans actually aren't allowed to go to North Korea, are they? This fellow took an "unauthorized" trip to North Korea and got arrested when he came back. Escaped might technically be the right word, even if it implies a certain amount of undue urgency.


South koreans are allowed to travel outside of this country. There have also been tens of thousands.. if not hundreds of thousands, of South koreans that have visited the DPRK. The issue is often travelling there without passing it through the gov.

'escape', to me, means being held. They were not. They could emigrate to any country that would accept them - as a number have. They chose to return to the DPRK - so be it.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Fox wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
Exactly. They "escaped"?? We're they being held here? Did they have restrictions on their travel (like in the North)?


South Koreans actually aren't allowed to go to North Korea, are they? This fellow took an "unauthorized" trip to North Korea and got arrested when he came back. Escaped might technically be the right word, even if it implies a certain amount of undue urgency.


South koreans are allowed to travel outside of this country. There have also been tens of thousands.. if not hundreds of thousands, of South koreans that have visited the DPRK. The issue is often travelling there without passing it through the gov.

'escape', to me, means being held. They were not. They could emigrate to any country that would accept them - as a number have. They chose to return to the DPRK - so be it.


That's reasonable enough, but would the South Korean Government really have simply let them repatriate to North Korea with its blessings? If so, why did they take the detour through China?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
If so, why did they take the detour through China?


Perhaps because there are no commercial transportation links; no buses, planes or public access roads between the ROK and the DPRK (excluding Kaesong industrial complex) .

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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoHoper: I thought you'd given up your trolling on this subject earlier on in the year but here we go again. Anyway far be for me to question your agenda but you pretty much bring ridicule on yourself with a statement like the following.....

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Why would I go to North Korea, when I can pray to make America and Canada, and South Korea into Socialist countries? Please think before you say something strange.


Yes, I'm sure your prayers will help bring about a socialist revolution in those countries.... Rolling Eyes


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After all, you once supported the Sunshine Policy. It's time for you to do it once again.


Speak for yourself. I for one never supported the Sunshine policy. It was a dismal failure which poured millions of S.Korean taxpayers dollars into Kim Jong Il's pocket and thousands of tons of rice into the coffers of the NK military for absolutely nothing in return. Its tragic to say but theres only one language the DPRK regime understands and thats force. Your talking of 'loving' and praying is just pure drivel I'm afraid.


With regards to couple defecting back to the DPRK, this might shed a bit more light on the subject.....

http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk01500&num=10060
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

falco wrote:
NoHoper: I thought you'd given up your trolling on this subject earlier on in the year but here we go again. Anyway far be for me to question your agenda but you pretty much bring ridicule on yourself with a statement like the following.....


What is my agenda? You seem to know more about this than me.

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Yes, I'm sure your prayers will help bring about a socialist revolution in those countries.... Rolling Eyes


At least you're agreeing with me indirectly. Thank you for being a champion for the North Korean government.

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Speak for yourself. I for one never supported the Sunshine policy. It was a dismal failure which poured millions of S.Korean taxpayers dollars into Kim Jong Il's pocket and thousands of tons of rice into the coffers of the NK military for absolutely nothing in return. Its tragic to say but theres only one language the DPRK regime understands and thats force. Your talking of 'loving' and praying is just pure drivel I'm afraid.


Love is more powerful than the military might of a country. You can't cure people with violence. It's impossible. You can't communicate between people or countries with violence. And you should understand that even the most violent country should show some love.

Like I said before. Is the extreme hate against North Korea worth it? Is there any merit of extremely hating something?

It's ok to ridicule me. Please do, falco. You're my good friend. Very Happy (kisses falco's forehead~) You should ridicule me and thank you.
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falco



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love??! The regime in the DPRK is one of the (if not THE most) totalitarian and brutal dictatorships in human history. There are only two ways it will ever fall - implosion or from outside force. I know this is tragic but its absolutely true nonetheless.

As I said several times before, I DONT hate the North Korean people. I DO hate the almost incalculable suffering the Kim regimes have inflicted on their people over the decades however.

Anyway I'm finished with debating your foolishness now. I've got better things to do with my time quite frankly.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

falco wrote:
Love??! The regime in the DPRK is one of the (if not THE most) totalitarian and brutal dictatorships in human history. There are only two ways it will ever fall - implosion or from outside force. I know this is tragic but its absolutely true nonetheless.


If you only focus on the negative side of things, you will become a very negative person in life and towards the world. This is a very unhealthy attitude to any morally-upright modern man.

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Anyway I'm finished with debating your foolishness now. I've got better things to do with my time quite frankly.


If you don't think love and positive thinking are unimportant, then you are likely a very grumpy old man who is too stubborn and is afraid of new ideas. You're not respecting yourself.

I have said nothing bad about you and you are calling me foolish? I don't know who is the real fool here. Maybe we are both fools if you think about it.

You will talk to me again anyways in Dave's ESL Cafe. And will you say that I'm a fool again?

I will say this again. Is the extreme hate against North Korea worth it? Is there any merit of extremely hating something?

(I don't need to demand answers. I think I know what you would say on this.)

And of course, please think of me as a fool if I truly deserve this bad treatment from you, falco, or from anyone. (Yes, CaptainCorea and jvalmer, you are free to ridicule me Cool )
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catman



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
Think of this differently.

The young Kim Jong-un has sacked a very hardliner military advisor (Ri Yong-ho) not too long ago. This has pretty much forced the South Korean government to slowly but steadily change the policies towards North Korea.

Maybe our hatred against North Korea is the biggest problem. We should be ashamed of ourselves.


So has he shut down the prision labor camps?
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
NohopeSeriously wrote:
Think of this differently.

The young Kim Jong-un has sacked a very hardliner military advisor (Ri Yong-ho) not too long ago. This has pretty much forced the South Korean government to slowly but steadily change the policies towards North Korea.

Maybe our hatred against North Korea is the biggest problem. We should be ashamed of ourselves.


So has he shut down the prision labor camps?


Patience my stubborn child. Time will tell.

There is no need to hate North Korea. Does hating or warmongering against North Korea miraculously make peace in the Korean Peninsula? Never. This is why you have to the the opposite. Love the. You have to love your enemy to make peace. It's too unfortunate that people are too short-sighted and resort to hatred.

Hatred is what kills a gentle soul of a common man.
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catman



Joined: 18 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
catman wrote:
NohopeSeriously wrote:
Think of this differently.

The young Kim Jong-un has sacked a very hardliner military advisor (Ri Yong-ho) not too long ago. This has pretty much forced the South Korean government to slowly but steadily change the policies towards North Korea.

Maybe our hatred against North Korea is the biggest problem. We should be ashamed of ourselves.


So has he shut down the prision labor camps?


Patience my stubborn child. Time will tell.

There is no need to hate North Korea. Does hating or warmongering against North Korea miraculously make peace in the Korean Peninsula? Never. This is why you have to the the opposite. Love the. You have to love your enemy to make peace. It's too unfortunate that people are too short-sighted and resort to hatred.

Hatred is what kills a gentle soul of a common man.



No one hates North Koreans more than the regime in Pyongyang.
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Touche Catman.

Unfortunately your very true statement wont make a blind bit of difference in convincing the OP otherwise. He's a 'christain socialist' who 'loves' the regimes in NK and China and wants to see the rest of the world convert to these types of govt.

Go figure.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
No one hates North Koreans more than the regime in Pyongyang.


Regimes cannot have emotions. Only man can hate other men. Common sense, anyone?

falco wrote:
Unfortunately your very true statement wont make a blind bit of difference in convincing the OP otherwise. He's a 'christain socialist' who 'loves' the regimes in NK and China and wants to see the rest of the world convert to these types of govt.


Touche that you do care for me. *kisses falco's forehead* If you could show me some love to me with good words, it would be fascinating. Unfortunately you cannot stop me and my ideas.

I'm too spiritually and mentally positive to be stopped by petty hatred from others. Very Happy
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
No one hates North Koreans more than the regime in Pyongyang.

Well said!!
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Average people have been literally hating North Korea for over 50 years. It only proves that our collective hate against North Korea around the world isn't helping. It doesn't help ourselves anyways.

Let's not talk about North Korea for a second. We have taught that hatred is the source of modern partisan-based democracy and elections. You support your favorite political party by hating the other parties. You vote for your favorite candidate by hating other candidates.

Every political power of any form of government is motivated by hatred. Just look at South Korea for example. It's a democratic country that generates full of hate between political parties and within the respective political party 24/7.

You think I'm a troll? It's ok. There's always a positive side in life even when people insult others. I've learn more about human nature in an unforgettable way. Multiple insults against me from several Dave's ESL Cafe members helped me a lot. What can I say? Thank you! Very Happy Next time when you discuss with me online, try to at least make a happy face to me. It makes the whole world a better place with a simple action of smiling.

Stop the hate. Love conquers all. Hate destroys all. You just need to learn how to love.
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catman



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are a unique troll.
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