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Titus



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember how American Christians are ridiculed and called out on being totally nuts for their insertion of Messianic Doom into everyday events? Remember how Bush was an evil Christian for invoking the Crusades w/r/t Iraq?

http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/felafel-on-rye/we-are-seeing-moshiach-in-action/2012/11/15/

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The Pillar of Cloud, otherwise known as the Clouds of Glory, or Amud HaAnan, protected the Jewish People in the Wilderness, and the “Amud HaAnan” Operation which Tzahal has now undertaken is intended to protect our beleaguered citizens in the south. But it is much more than that.

Rabbi Kook writes:

“When there is a great war in the world, the power of Moshiach awakens. The time of the song bird has come, with the weeding away of tyrants. The evil ones are obliterated from the world, the world becomes more perfected, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in our Land.

“And after the war has climaxed, the world is revitalized with a new spirit, and the ‘Footsteps of the Moshiach are exceedingly revealed. The greater the war’s measure, both quantitatively and qualitatively, the greater the expectation for the ‘Footsteps of the Moshiach’ which the war reveals…


“With great insight, incredible valor, with deep and penetrating logic, with true desire, and with clear understanding, we need to receive the exalted contents of the light of G-d which is revealed in wondrous action in the workings of precisely these wars.”

Rabbi Kook ends his essay by quoting from our morning prayers. Make no mistake. This is what Operation “Amud HaAnan” is really all about:

“The Master of wars, sower of righteousness, Who causes salvation to sprout, the Creator or cures, awesome in praise, the Master of wonders, Who renews His goodness every day the act of Creation, cause a new light to shine upon Zion, and may we all be privileged to see its light” (Orot, 2:1).

Hashem is the Master of wars. And now, as citizens in the south of Israel sit anxiously in their bomb shelters, Hashem is at war. Hashem is weeding out tyrants, the killers of Jewish men, women, and children. Hashem is obliterating evil ones from the world, the murderers from the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad. The Moshiach has awakened. He is sitting in the cockpit beside our pilots as they soar over Gaza, cleansing and perfecting the world. While the Israeli Army is fighting, Hashem is sowing righteousness. Hashem is causing salvation to sprout. He is causing a new light to shine upon Zion, and it is our task to open our eyes and see it. No, my friends, this is not a mere war – this is Moshiach in action!

The Mashiach is not only the ideal Jewish king, but a process which evolves over time. The Gemara informs us that, “There are 2000 years of Moshiach (Sanhedrin 97A). In Tractate Megilla, we learn that, “War is also the beginning of Redemption” (Megilla 17B). The Rambam tells us that one of Moshiach’s premier tasks is to fight the wars of Hashem (Laws of Kings and Their Wars, 11:4).

Yes, Operation “Amud HaAnan” has come to protect our citizens, to teach Hamas a painful lesson, and to return our power of detriment, but when you watch the footage on TV, know that you are watching the “Footsteps of Moshiach ” You are witnessing the Sanctification of G-d in the world. Let the word go forth, “There is a living G-d in Israel!”

Yes, war is hell. Yes, if war could be abandoned, the world would be a better place. But the Redemption of Am Yisrael also comes through wars. In the roar of our jets streaking over Gaza, Moshiach is on the way! When evil doers are uprooted from the world, the light of Moshiach appears. The greater the magnitude and force of the war, the greater the revelation of Moshiach which follows.

Our hearts and prayers are with the soldiers of Israel. May Hashem grant them and their commanders the holy courage and valor to finish the job and wipe out the evil in our midst, for the betterment of the world. And may we all be privileged to see and enjoy the new light shining on Zion!


I shall watch Jon Leibowitz on Monday to laugh at him skewering these religious nuts. Colbert is gonna sing a song. Slate and Salon and Mother Jones and the rest will write thousands of words about how these religious nuts are like OMG Guys soooo stupiddddd.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

falco wrote:
Just what the world needs...another pointless civil war.


The world is not getting hit by thousands of mortar rockets every year from Gaza.

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anyone who takes the life of anyone else indiscriminately


That would be Hamas, who launched 680 rockets at Israeli civilians in 2011 and 800 so far this year.


It is a story consistently ignored by the international media, yet when Israel finally retaliates they are roundly condemned as the agressors.

If Hamas continues firing rockets-intead of seeking peace- then they are condemning their own people to regular fumigation exercises at the hands of the IDF.
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falco



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the only thing sillier than the conflict that is gradually unfolding in Gaza, is an outsider who in all probability has no knowledge whatsoever of what it like to live in the said area, taking sides with one of the participants.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The UN really should get involved. The security council specifically agree to creae a negotiating body. The negotation participants should obviously be the Israelis and Palestinians but also the Arab League.
Maybe Clinton as a special envoy since he came so close last time but I'd like to leave an American out of it if necessary.

As a sidenote, I'd like to see American foreign policy regarding Israel NOT based on how vital Florida is to the Presidential elections.
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Titus



Joined: 19 May 2012

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
The UN really should get involved. The security council specifically agree to creae a negotiating body. The negotation participants should obviously be the Israelis and Palestinians but also the Arab League.
Maybe Clinton as a special envoy since he came so close last time but I'd like to leave an American out of it if necessary.

As a sidenote, I'd like to see American foreign policy regarding Israel NOT based on how vital Florida is to the Presidential elections.


Santa Clause should get involved. Bugs Bunny.

Bill Clinton as a special envoy. Good god I can not believe some of you are still this deluded.

H. Clinton's Special Advisor for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia was Dennis F'in Ross. He is so racially extremist that he makes David Duke look like a universalist egalitarian.
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Unibrow



Joined: 20 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
falco wrote:
Just what the world needs...another pointless civil war.


The world is not getting hit by thousands of mortar rockets every year from Gaza.

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anyone who takes the life of anyone else indiscriminately


That would be Hamas, who launched 680 rockets at Israeli civilians in 2011 and 800 so far this year.


It is a story consistently ignored by the international media, yet when Israel finally retaliates they are roundly condemned as the agressors.

If Hamas continues firing rockets-intead of seeking peace- then they are condemning their own people to regular fumigation exercises at the hands of the IDF.


you're ignoring the thousands of tank rounds, artillery shells, and bombs dropped on Gaza in the same timeframe. HAMAS targets military facilities while Israel targets radio stations and civilians.
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falco



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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HAMAS targets military facilities


Are you serious?!? I....dont......think......so.
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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
The UN really should get involved. The security council specifically agree to creae a negotiating body. The negotation participants should obviously be the Israelis and Palestinians but also the Arab League.
Maybe Clinton as a special envoy since he came so close last time but I'd like to leave an American out of it if necessary.

As a sidenote, I'd like to see American foreign policy regarding Israel NOT based on how vital Florida is to the Presidential elections.

Don't think it'll matter, here's a video of Netanyahu saying he'll do what he thinks needs to be done and doesn't really care whose feathers he ruffles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtuBas3Ipw
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titus wrote:
sirius black wrote:
The UN really should get involved. The security council specifically agree to creae a negotiating body. The negotation participants should obviously be the Israelis and Palestinians but also the Arab League.
Maybe Clinton as a special envoy since he came so close last time but I'd like to leave an American out of it if necessary.

As a sidenote, I'd like to see American foreign policy regarding Israel NOT based on how vital Florida is to the Presidential elections.


Santa Clause should get involved. Bugs Bunny.

Bill Clinton as a special envoy. Good god I can not believe some of you are still this deluded.

H. Clinton's Special Advisor for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia was Dennis F'in Ross. He is so racially extremist that he makes David Duke look like a universalist egalitarian.


Far more learned souls than yourself think Clinton would be an excellent choice since had the trust of both sides to come as close as anyone to a resolution which wasn't his fault it failed and he obviously knows the issues.

The experts don't agree with you.

As for Hillary's special adivsor? So what? What has her advisors have to do with Bill? Where has it been said he will use this person?

Someone is having a bad hair day. lol
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darkjedidave



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unibrow wrote:
HAMAS targets military facilities


Targets military facilities, huh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012
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RUsqueelin



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where bottle rockets - yes, that's what they are, no explosive device on them - landed in Israel is not the friken issue.

The occupied, whom have defended against its genocide for the past 60 years, can never be blamed. They are fighting for their survival, and everyone here would do the same if they were occupied, removed from their land, and killed from a foreign invador who owns all the Western Press and govn'ts which allows them a free pass to kill as they please.

Anyone body who defends this cancer in the Middle East called Israehell, is victim of their propaganda or is just not very bright.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RUsqueelin wrote:
Where bottle rockets - yes, that's what they are, no explosive device on them - landed in Israel is not the friken issue.

The occupied, whom have defended against its genocide for the past 60 years, can never be blamed. They are fighting for their survival, and everyone here would do the same if they were occupied, removed from their land, and killed from a foreign invador who owns all the Western Press and govn'ts which allows them a free pass to kill as they please.

Anyone body who defends this cancer in the Middle East called Israehell, is victim of their propaganda or is just not very bright.


Well, you've certainly convinced me. It's good to see someone finally stand up and denounce Israel on these forums.
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RUsqueelin wrote:
Where bottle rockets - yes, that's what they are, no explosive device on them - landed in Israel is not the friken issue.

The occupied, whom have defended against its genocide for the past 60 years, can never be blamed. They are fighting for their survival, and everyone here would do the same if they were occupied, removed from their land, and killed from a foreign invador who owns all the Western Press and govn'ts which allows them a free pass to kill as they please.

Anyone body who defends this cancer in the Middle East called Israehell, is victim of their propaganda or is just not very bright.



Always good to see people not letting emotion get in the way of facts...... Rolling Eyes
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comm



Joined: 22 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

falco wrote:
Always good to see people not letting emotion get in the way of facts...... Rolling Eyes

The fact is that Israel has failed to be a responsible winner.
In every conflict, when one side finally comes out ahead, that victor can decide his terms AND provide the loser with a viable path to peace.

Now, if Israel wants to use its military might to banish the residents of Gaza to the four winds, that's their business. If Israel wants to establish a "Palestinian State" where these residents would have the full rights and privileges of state-hood, that's their business as well.
However
Keeping people in an oppressive police state where they are second class citizens is unacceptable and results in a well-deserved bloody revolution.
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falco



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No argument from me about what your sayin here.


The point I was trying to make was that the notion that Hamas rockets are merely 'bottle' rockets with nothing inside 'em to blow-up (ie. explosive) is patently absurd. I should've just quoted RUsqueelin's first sentence instead of the whole posting.

Apologies.
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