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thegameksk



Joined: 05 Nov 2012

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Recruiter help Reply with quote

Hey all. I am a first timer looking into teaching in Korea. I have my documents and now my recruiter wants me to send my stuff over but I would like to use more then one recruiter to get a job quicker. How can I go about applying with more then one recruiter if they want my documents? Also any recruiters you guys would recommend? Thanks for all the help
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter help Reply with quote

thegameksk wrote:
Hey all. I am a first timer looking into teaching in Korea. I have my documents and now my recruiter wants me to send my stuff over but I would like to use more then one recruiter to get a job quicker. How can I go about applying with more then one recruiter if they want my documents? Also any recruiters you guys would recommend? Thanks for all the help


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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Recruiter help Reply with quote

thegameksk wrote:
Hey all. I am a first timer looking into teaching in Korea. I have my documents and now my recruiter wants me to send my stuff over but I would like to use more then one recruiter to get a job quicker. How can I go about applying with more then one recruiter if they want my documents? Also any recruiters you guys would recommend? Thanks for all the help


DO NOT SEND THE HARD COPIES UNTIL YOU HAVE A CONTRACT IN HAND.
If you do then the recruiter has you by the balls and locked in since you won't have the documents to apply elsewhere.

Send scans of your relevant documents (degree with apostille, CBC with apostille, photo, passport information page) and resume as attachments to the e-mail.

ONLY send the hard copies when you are actually doing the visa application process.

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thegameksk



Joined: 05 Nov 2012

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not know that. Thank you very much. Do you guys know of any decent/good recruiters? I also see a lot of jobs on the job boards here any advice as far as figuring out what is real and what is bs? Thanks
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are all good.
They are all the best.
They are all bad.
They are all the worst.


The good one is the one who gets you a "DECENT" job.

They are all good and they are all bad. They all have some proponents and they all have some complaints.

Search yourself and you have access to perhaps 20-50 potential employers who may be able to actually READ your resume and perhaps can get you through the visa confirmation process (not always easy for 1st time applicants).

Use 20 recruiters and that number jumps up into the many hundreds or potentially over 1000 jobs, even if the employer himself doesn't speak English (lots of hagwan jobs, MOST private placement PS jobs and virtually ALL private K-12 jobs fall into this category).

The problem lies in the fact that most people do NOT understand the role of the recruiter.

They are an introduction to a potential employer that you yourself would not otherwise be able to find. Then, if they are any good at their job, they guide you through the placement and assist with the paperwork necessary to get you as far as the employer.

They are NOT your friend.
They do NOT work for you (they are paid for and work for the employer).

They are like a used car salesman.
You walk onto their car-lot (website), peruse the cars (available jobs), if you see one you like you inquire about it.

After you listen to the sales pitch you let YOUR mechanic have a look at it (due diligence checking out the school).

If it is all good then you make the offer (accept the contract) and complete the sale (begin the paperwork for your visa application).

A good salesman will ensure that the paperwork is in order to make the sale and allow you to register the car. (A good recruiter will make sure your paperwork is in order and help get you through the paperwork to get your visa.)

I have no problem with using a recruiter or telling anyone else to use one (or more the case, many). They are your best option for fining the BEST fit when it comes to a job in Korea (or most of Asia for that matter).

For someone who is abroad, no connections and no ability to communicate in Korean then recruiters are a necessary evil.

That doesn't mean it is a crap shoot.

ALL recruiters are good. All recruiters are bad.
BUT they are a bridge to a job that you would not otherwise find.

The trick is in understanding what they are and what they do.

ttompatz wrote:


Really, when it comes to a recruiter, who cares where they are from or where they are based?

A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

Unless you have an extensive network of friends and/or colleagues in your target country OR can read/write and speak the local language and can apply directly they are a necessary evil.

REPEAT: A recruiter is nothing more than an introduction to an employer.

Hello Mr. English speaker this is Mr Hakwon owner.
Mr. hakwon owner, this is Mr. English speaker.
Mr. English speaker, here is the contract. Please read and sign.
School, here is the signed contract. Pay me.
Good bye.

-You are not paying them anything (or you shouldn't be).
-THEY DO NOT WORK FOR YOU! - They work for the school.
-They owe you nothing once you get here.
-They are not your friend.
-They are not your baby sitter.
-They cannot help you if things go to *beep* after you get here.

Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.

Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract.

Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.

Use the recruiters for what they are. Use more than one and keep going until you get what you want. There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs.

When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE.

1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...

The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.

No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail) to = walk away now.

Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.

ONE CAVEAT: if it is a public school there may not be a Native English Speaker to talk to but there is a chain of command OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL (your POE liaison) if you have problems and they are more strict in following the terms of the contract.

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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said do not send the actual documents until you have a contract signed and in your hand.

When you send scans. Consider making the neat and not to big. If you can package them up in a nice rar file or PDF.

Some quick tips to help you

If you can get extras for fecal matter hitting the fan situation.
Please read the FAQ and this section MORE.
Use google to search the boards first for any questions you have.

Skippy Stock List

This question that comes up all the times.

Can some recommend a good/best/etc recruiter? People want that special recruiter that will get them the best job. Recruiters are just one part of the process. Never mind this what I call "string question" aka "How long is a piece of string?". For one person a recruiter is fine, to another the best, and to one person they wish death upon.

Here is the easy answer - ALL OF THEM. Do not use one, use them all. One will eventually find you a job.

I have complied a list of threads of this question... The threads where found with google and two words recruiter and ______> I used best, good, recommend, and
I tried to keep to the basic question of can some body tell me what recruiter to use. A few are quite old, some a little specific to a city or area. I mainly ignored specific recruiting companies.

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A head node to Tomato who inspired this list.
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staygold



Joined: 18 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thegameksk wrote:
I did not know that. Thank you very much. Do you guys know of any decent/good recruiters? I also see a lot of jobs on the job boards here any advice as far as figuring out what is real and what is bs? Thanks

I recommend (in order of preference) ESL Line, OK Recruiting, JJ Recruiting, and ATC for hagwons/"private schools." Make sure you call these places if they don't reply to your emails. For public schools, Korvia.

But yes, apply to as many recruiters as possible, but use common sense to weed out the fishy ones. Avoid Doyle Kim (Trinity Consulting) and John Han (JobNCO aka korea-esl at daum.net).
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