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Why the West lost to China and what it can do to recover
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Why the West lost to China and what it can do to recover Reply with quote

By Benjamin Fulford, a Japanese citizen of Canadian origin.

Why the West lost to China and what it can do to recover

A few years ago the conventional wisdom in the West was that maybe China might surpass the United States (a sub-section of the West) in 50 years. Now, any serious thinker understands that China is top dog and the West is in deep crisis. The Western nations have lost their moral, financial and political leadership of the world.

This week we will look at why the leaders of the Western world nearly destroyed their own civilization. Then we will then try to figure out what to do to restore Western vitality.

The causes for the Western decline were years in the making. The results manifested themselves over a very short period. Our ancestors would have recognized the situation had its ultimate origins in moral failure on the part of our leaders. Here are the seven deadly sins of the West:

The pride that kills

Westerners as a whole are perceived by other peoples as arrogant, and rightly so. My own initial reaction to living in Japan was typical. Anything that Japan did that was different from how it was done in the West was wrong. I was constantly preaching to my Japanese friends (many soon to be ex-friends) and telling them what to do until it slowly dawned on me that I had more to learn that I had to teach.

The Western (especially US) leadership has been doing the same: telling and forcing countries to adopt two-party Democracy and the “Washington (read Wall St.) consensus” on economic management. What they failed to realize is that ever since military defeat in colonial times other countries and cultures have been diligently studying the West and drawing their own conclusions.

The West, meanwhile, never thought that perhaps they should be studying other civilizations for clues on how to improve their own. The result is that other countries, especially in Asia, have combined the best of the Western with the best of their traditional culture to create a vital new hybrid, leaving the West to catch up.

Sloth: the laziness that saps strength

At some hard to define point over the past few decades use of phrases like “protestant work ethic,” to describe hard working Westerners has been replaced with phrases like “couch potatoes.”

Westerners somehow thought they could let other countries do all the real work while they sat back and gave orders. The following joke sums up the situation fairly well:

“How many Anglo-Saxons does it take to change a light bulb?”
Answer: “Two, one to mix the martinis and another to look up an electrician in the phone book.”

This laziness resulted in over 30-years of merchandise trade deficits in most Western countries and the bankruptcy it has now led to.

Greed: the love of money over life

Perhaps the greatest sin among Western leaders. Enough has been written about the sins of greedy bankers that I do not need to say much. However, what many do not realize is that the love of money has literally made most Americans slaves to an artificial intelligence. Fantastical as it may seem, most of the profits generated by Wall Street are generated by artificial intelligences known as trading programs that have greed as their prime directive.

They rule Wall Street. Wall Street in turn is ruled by a single concept: seek money. The fountain of money, the Federal Reserve Board, functions like a single non-human mind run by massive computer networks. Most politicians and top military leaders in the US receive bribes and take orders from Wall Street and so in effect, they pillage the planet on behalf of an artificial intelligence motivated by greed.

Perhaps the best example of a black hole of greed sucking life and vitality out of the United States is Walmart. In order to maximize the “profits” or money for Walmart, the middle-class in the US and its industrial infrastructure have been decimated. The six members of the Walton family now have more money than the poorest 100 million Americans.

Wrath: the cruelty that destroyed Western moral superiority

There was a time when the West was seen as the champion of human rights and morality. Now the West is rightly seen by the rest of the world as a collection of rogue nations. The murder and pillaging of millions of people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are just the latest atrocities carried out by the fascist regime that took over power in the West after 911 in 2001. Western military forces now kill non-combatants, women and children in order to help fascist oligarchs steal their resources? Whatever happened to chivalry?

Gluttony: the West is literally eating the world

Westerners, the majority of whom are obese, have destroyed vast areas pristine wilderness to satisfy a lust for ever more food. The destruction of tropical rain forests for agribusinesses like cattle ranches and palm oil plantations are the single greatest reason why Western civilization has wiped out 30% of all land species on earth in the past 100 years. Overfishing is helping accomplish the same things in the oceans.

Greed for unnecessary food is wiping out variety in life that took billions of years to evolve. Hopefully the Chinese will do a better job of preserving global biodiversity.

Lust:

Mistaken Malthusian fears of overpopulation have led Western rulers to do their best to divorce sex from procreation. Sex as a loveless non-reproductive sport is promoted through ubiquitous pornography. Homo-sexual marriage (that cannot produce children) is promoted while polygamy (that produces lots of children) is still criminalized in the West.

The result is that Western countries now all have shrinking, aging populations. The West is losing the battle of evolution which is won mostly in the bedroom.

Envy:

The rulers of the West have been trying to start World War 3 and destroy 90% of humanity because they could not stand the idea of other cultures and nations surpassing them. It was their jealousy of other civilizations that led to their current international isolation.

So, what can the West do to recover?

Unfortunately, the first thing the West needs to do is what heroin addicts have to do to break their addiction: go cold turkey. In this case it is money addiction that needs to be cured. Money has no meaning unless it is backed by stuff that actually exists in the real world. That means Westerners have to start making stuff again. That means working again. To reverse what the Asian bar girls say: “No honey, no money.”

The West also needs to drain all the fraudulent money out of the political and economic system until money has real value again. The United States needs to stop using the foreign owned and operated, misnamed US dollar and start issuing its own currency. The Southern European nations also need to get off the Euro.

That will mean a temporary, and very brief, time when imports will suddenly become expensive. That is the pain.

Then there will be plenty of local manufacturing jobs as people buy local and exports are competitive again. There will also be plenty of tourist business creating jobs. That is the gain.

More importantly the countries of the West need to revamp their political and economic systems. They need to start imitating the Chinese and places like Singapore and create a hybrid between meritocracy and democracy.

The Chinese pioneered meritocracy with their imperial exams but, as my father once put it, “wasted it by devoting it all to memorizing those blasted ancient texts.” The British copied the system and improved it by basing the entrance exams on more modern and relevant topics. The Chinese then re-adopted that system and started adding their own improvements.

The new Chinese system combines meritocracy with real time democracy. Their leadership responds to opinion polls and blogs on a daily basis because they know that to do otherwise would lead to a loss of the Mandate of Heaven.

This system is still being tinkered with and improved but there can be no doubt the world’s center of economic gravity has shifted to China and will continue to do so as long as their system of government remains superior. However, the Chinese know from their own historical experience that a single central source of power, no matter how competent or benevolent, leads eventually to stagnation.

The West needs make sure we do not end up with a one-China world by setting up its own competing meritocratic systems. The pentagon is one example of a successful Western meritocracy that can be used as a model for a new system. The main, and fatal, flaw of the pentagon was that it was parasitical and not self-supporting.

The legal system remains perhaps the healthiest remaining part of the Western world but it too has been seriously undermined by corruption and lack of accountability or transparency.

Democracy was also a very good system in the past. It worked very well in a small city state where the rumour-mill provided freedom of information and town meetings could be called spontaneously in response to needs. However, it has been debased in most of the modern West by bribery, fraud, censorship, brain-washing and an inability to respond in real time to the emerging group-mind that is evolving on the internet.

That is why a new future planning agency needs to be established from the ground up so that it can incorporate the best methods and models from throughout the world and from the historical past.

If it is done right, the West can fully harness it’s still superior science and technology to help create an ideal world in harmony with nature and all humanity. What are we waiting for?

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/ben-fulford-why-the-west-lost-to-china-and-what-it-can-do-to-recover-november-20-2012/
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Now, any serious thinker understands that China is top dog and the West is in deep crisis.


I can think of plenty of serious thinkers who would stridently disagree that China is top dog.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=176961
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoHope and his agenda... NoSurprise.
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
NoHope and his agenda... NoSurprise.


What is MY agenda? You keep saying that agenda word a lot and I'm very curious.

Do you know why I use "Nohopeseriously" as my nickname here? I don't personally like to hate anything. Promoting hatred seems to be so hopeless in a serious way.

As I said before. PLEASE RIDICULE ME!!!!!!! Very Happy
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detonate



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What we really need to do is keep someone in the White House that loves big government so we have to keep borrowing more from China. Then the US will really start to recover. Ah wait, nevermind, we've done that. FORWARD
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading this blog post again, it does look like there is too much unjustified hate among countries.

And lo and behold. There is too much unjustified hate among people.

(Yes, some people here hate me and I embrace them with a good heart. This is why I'm a #1 fan of Captain Corea.)
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rollo



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was an attempt at humor i assume. Yeah China is so pristine and practically an untouched wilderness. I mean that whole piece was silly.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't aware we had lost to China. What have we lost? And I remember people saying the same thing about Japan in 1990. Don't hear anything about that now...


But go ahead, preach on brother! We need to find that Protestant work ethic again and go kick some butt! Praise God!
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
But go ahead, preach on brother! We need to find that Protestant work ethic again and go kick some butt! Praise God!


Thank you for the support of the holy Christian cause. You are definitely blessed. May God be with you. Very Happy
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Spartacist



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That blog post (sorry, why are we discussing some random guy's blog post?) was few truths larded with ridiculous observations and oversimplifications (the criminalisation of polygamy is destroying the West?) and one-sided attributions to the West (problems such as greed are just as evident in China). Statesmanship and civilisation is not a zero-sum game, and even if it is, it's a little too early to declare China the winner.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
I wasn't aware we had lost to China. What have we lost? And I remember people saying the same thing about Japan in 1990. Don't hear anything about that now...

We haven't lost to China, nor will it ever happen. China is, and will remain a captive market for the West. They will keep sending over their boatloads of slave goods and we'll keep sending over green paper.
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What criteria is being used when the author says 'lost'? GNP? Military? World prestige and power which is somewhat subjective, but an argument can be made.

I'd suggest China is possibly more like America in the mid to late 1800s and comparable to England at the time. And that is the optimistic view.

They are gaining and have had a meteoric rise in the last couple decades. Sustaining it is another matter.

They have the potential to surpass America but from the standards I know of today (mainly GNP), they have not.

So, I agree with others on here that they haven't surpassed us but I disagree that they never can or will. Its entirely possible but a few things have to happen.
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comm



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silly.
There are always things to be learned from other countries, but perhaps "how to deal with greed and corruption" isn't something we should learn from China.

They've surged economically thanks to natural resources, exploitation of cheap labor, and a powerful government to keep it all strapped together. That growth will (or has) plateaued, and a real problem is coming. As their economy chugs along, the educated and/or business owners will become richer while the vast majority of wages stagnate. Inflation will be inevitable as net demand increases due to the new (small) middle/upper class.

The solution is education and R&D, but in the best of circumstances that transition is slow... the significant language barrier between China and established Western education systems will prevent them from simply hiring their way out of the education problem.

Then there's the corruption and probability of falsified economic data... Odds are, China will drop to a maximum of 1-3% growth in the next 5 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjamin Fulford is a known nutjob. He publicly has accused the US using HAARP to cause the 2011 Earthquake.
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
Benjamin Fulford is a known nutjob. He publicly has accused the US using HAARP to cause the 2011 Earthquake.


You can say that he's a nutjob. This doesn't stop him from saying what he believes in. (well people seem to hate me but I love them so much.)

But you should correct yourself with the fact that a nuclear bomb off the shore of Tokyo is the cause of the 2011 Earthquake according to Benjamin Fulford. Apparently it was an English guy who smuggled a nuclear bomb via Indonesia.

It wasn't HAARP. It just looks like you don't know much and you are very angry. Anyways don't worry too much.

I like this youtube video on Benjamin Fulford.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ouK_O1X778

Several months ago, he predicted that North Korea and Japan would somehow have a stable relationship thanks to some power struggles in North Korea (Kim Jong-un's rise) and in Japan (Prime Minister Noda's political struggles). As of November 2012, Japanese families whose ancestors are buried in North Korea are now permitting to stay in North Korea, and some Japanese youth athletes visited North Korea not too long ago.


By the way. Benjamin Fulford is a Western European guy who thinks like an Asian. He's not a Westerner in the strictest sense. Should we hate him because he thinks so differently from other "normal" contemporary Euro-centric people? Well, hating is a deadly sin.
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