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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:09 am    Post subject: Check Out This Gem in the Job Section Reply with quote

Actually pulled this from another website. . .anyway:

"location: Line 3 near hwajeong St
-class hours : 2-5pm usually for elementary school students at the moment
-working hours: 1-5:30 pm from Monday to Friday
-pay; one milion won
-starting from January
-required : Native English speaker with F4 or F2 visa only/ Bachelor degree and all the documents required by Gyeonggido Office of Education.
-contact: *@*"

It's a small academy but cozy and nice place to work. I want a warm-hearted and friendly teacher who loves kids. If you are interested, please send your resume with your recent photo"

Wow, an F2/F4 visa holder with a Bachelor's and the hagwon is offering 1,000,000 won a month???

Broken down:

22 working days a month * 4.5 hours a day = 99 hours

1,000,000 / 99 = just over 10,000 won an hour.

Just shocking, I hope they go bankrupt.

Other red flags:

1. No mention of insurance / pension / housing
2. No visa sponsorship
3. No mention of vacation time
4. No mention of any other perk.

As for "I want a warm-hearted and friendly teacher who loves kids" yep, because a boss that loves his employee so much that he's only willing to pay them barely above a 편의점 rate is really going to attract someone warm-hearted (read idiot).
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much guarantee this hagwon is NOT going to attract a F6 for this job.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a sucker born every damn minute.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-class hours : 2-5pm usually for elementary school students at the moment
-working hours: 1-5:30 pm from Monday to Friday


Looks like 3 classes, 15/week.

1,000,000/15 = 66,666rmb/month = 16,666/hour

I wouldn't treat this as a full-time job offer. It's a part-time gig for someone who already has a schedule.

If you teach in the mornings and evenings already, this might work. The chances are slim though. They would be better off hiring 2 teachers, one would teach Mon-Wed, the other Thu-Sat.


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Moondoggy



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Check Out This Gem in the Job Section Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
Actually pulled this from another website. . .anyway:

"location: Line 3 near hwajeong St
-class hours : 2-5pm usually for elementary school students at the moment
-working hours: 1-5:30 pm from Monday to Friday
-pay; one milion won
-starting from January
-required : Native English speaker with F4 or F2 visa only/ Bachelor degree and all the documents required by Gyeonggido Office of Education.
-contact: *@*"

It's a small academy but cozy and nice place to work. I want a warm-hearted and friendly teacher who loves kids. If you are interested, please send your resume with your recent photo"

Wow, an F2/F4 visa holder with a Bachelor's and the hagwon is offering 1,000,000 won a month???

Broken down:

22 working days a month * 4.5 hours a day = 99 hours

1,000,000 / 99 = just over 10,000 won an hour.

Just shocking, I hope they go bankrupt.

Other red flags:

1. No mention of insurance / pension / housing
2. No visa sponsorship
3. No mention of vacation time
4. No mention of any other perk.

As for "I want a warm-hearted and friendly teacher who loves kids" yep, because a boss that loves his employee so much that he's only willing to pay them barely above a 편의점 rate is really going to attract someone warm-hearted (read idiot).


the ad is aiming for filipino wives who married korean men.
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lemak



Joined: 02 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
Quote:
-class hours : 2-5pm usually for elementary school students at the moment
-working hours: 1-5:30 pm from Monday to Friday


Looks like 3 classes, 15/week.

1,000,000/15 = 66,666rmb/hour


Except there's more than one week in a month.

By your calculation even it should be more like 1,000,000/66

(22 working days x 3 classes a day)

What's that end up? More like 15k an hour.

Thank god you're not a math teacher, mate! lol.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lemak wrote:
YTMND wrote:
Quote:
-class hours : 2-5pm usually for elementary school students at the moment
-working hours: 1-5:30 pm from Monday to Friday


Looks like 3 classes, 15/week.

1,000,000/15 = 66,666rmb/hour


Except there's more than one week in a month.

By your calculation even it should be more like 1,000,000/66

(22 working days x 3 classes a day)

What's that end up? More like 15k an hour.

Thank god you're not a math teacher, mate! lol.


LOL, simple mistake, about 16,500/hour. It doesn't change my assessment. This would be an ok job for extra money on the right visa, not E2, and probably better to have 2 teachers because they probably need to work other days.
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Lazio



Joined: 15 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
LOL, simple mistake, about 16,500/hour. It doesn't change my assessment. This would be an ok job for extra money on the right visa, not E2, and probably better to have 2 teachers because they probably need to work other days.


No, it's is not an OK job! It is better to stay home and relax or anything. It's even worse than your calculation since you need to stick around there for 4.5 hours.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
you need to stick around there for 4.5 hours.


Per day or per week/month? I don't see your calculations. How does one "stick around" each day for 4.5 hours and teach classes between 2-5pm?

The hours are what they want you to be available for. If you are prepared and do a good job, usually after the 1st month you can arrive later and leave earlier, especially if it is a hagwon and not a public school.
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lemak



Joined: 02 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah it's a dud. $14US per teaching hour or just over 9 US bucks per hour you're required to be in the workplace = diarrhea whatever visa you're on.
In this case not worth the risk of working illegally and getting busted.
My missus - non native speaker (albeit with a degree in English linguistics) made 3 times that working under the table in Korea.
Pay peanuts = get monkeys. Maybe they'll get someone from Pakistan or Kazakhstan who speaks English as a 4th language.
The boss is doing a massive disservice to his students. As someone else said - hope his "penny wise, pound foolish" attitude bankrupts him.
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gelynch52ph



Joined: 09 Nov 2012
Location: Malaybalay City, Philippines

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:27 am    Post subject: part time hagwan Reply with quote

lemak wrote:
Nah it's a dud. $14US per teaching hour or just over 9 US bucks per hour you're required to be in the workplace = diarrhea whatever visa you're on.
In this case not worth the risk of working illegally and getting busted.
My missus - non native speaker (albeit with a degree in English linguistics) made 3 times that working under the table in Korea.
Pay peanuts = get monkeys. Maybe they'll get someone from Pakistan or Kazakhstan who speaks English as a 4th language.
The boss is doing a massive disservice to his students. As someone else said - hope his "penny wise, pound foolish" attitude bankrupts him.


Back in 1999 through about 2007 I never taught privates for less than W50K/hr and usually more than that so no person worth his salt would work for W15 ~ 16K/hr in a kiddie joint. At least I was able to select the students and accepted mostly adults and the occasional advanced middle school kid whose parent were throwing money (and often snacks) at me.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
lemak wrote:
YTMND wrote:
Quote:
-class hours : 2-5pm usually for elementary school students at the moment
-working hours: 1-5:30 pm from Monday to Friday


Looks like 3 classes, 15/week.

1,000,000/15 = 66,666rmb/hour


Except there's more than one week in a month.

By your calculation even it should be more like 1,000,000/66

(22 working days x 3 classes a day)

What's that end up? More like 15k an hour.

Thank god you're not a math teacher, mate! lol.


LOL, simple mistake, about 16,500/hour. It doesn't change my assessment. This would be an ok job for extra money on the right visa, not E2, and probably better to have 2 teachers because they probably need to work other days.


I'm always amazed at how low your standards are with regards to working conditions.
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I'm With You



Joined: 01 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You realize that there are dozens of Filipino teachers who will submit their resumes for this position, and other positions like it.

Why pay Chad from Saskatchewan 2.5 million a month to come in with a hangover every morning when qualified Flor from Manila is happy to take the job for a 1 million a month. And not complain - or come in to work hungover.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an odd offer. That's for sure.

Like someone else said, it may be aimed at what the Koreans consider second class foreigners (e.g. Filipinos, or Indians) who speak the language fluently but don't fit the image most schools want. For a housewife who has free time in the afternoons, it might be a half decent part time job, particularly if she isn't fluent in Korea (and hence is ineligible for most other part time jobs).

If you go to an agency to find part time teaching jobs (at hogwons or otherwise) the going rate is at least 40k/hour. Generally, you won't be required to desk warm either. Most places will ask you to come in half an hour before the first class, and you can leave as soon as you've finished whatever paperwork is necessary after the last class. If there is too much of a gap between classes, you can ask to be compensated for that time. Most places don't want to do that, so they'll either schedule classes to be back-to-back or find two different part-time teachers.
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm With You wrote:
You realize that there are dozens of Filipino teachers who will submit their resumes for this position, and other positions like it.

Why pay Chad from Saskatchewan 2.5 million a month to come in with a hangover every morning when qualified Flor from Manila is happy to take the job for a 1 million a month. And not complain - or come in to work hungover.


Seriously, are all Canadians raging drunks or what?
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