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saram_
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 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: The lottery of life- Where to be born in 2013! |
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From The Economist. They are bound to know right ?
Warren Buffet has often said that anything he has been successful with has basically happened because of been born at the right time and in the right place!
1930s America in his case.
Anyway, back in 1988-
A quarter of a century ago, "The World in 1988" light-heartedly ranked 50 countries according to where would be the best place to be born in 1988- America came top.
25 years later- "The Economist" has made out a new list. One they think should be taken a little more seriously! They have their own criteria - quality of life, crime level etc..
So which country will be the best for a baby born in 2013?
http://www.economist.com/news/21566430-where-be-born-2013-lottery-life?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/lotteryoflife
The USA isn't top of this one. It's dropped down quite a bit- to 16th.
Look at how low down the UK is though- 27th!!
South Korea comes in at rank 19..
Switzerland leads the way, followed by Australia then Norway!
About right? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I would say countries like China, Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia should be ranked higher. I figure in 25 years at least one of those countries will be like Korea now. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Australia? guess the guy who wrote that has never lived there!
Australia was good back in the 80's and 90's not now.
Australia is ruined! way to expensive now, to many immigrants, to much hate crime, drugs, etc..
that list is just stupid!
Mexico a head of so many other countries?
Russia near the bottom? UAE? yeah if you are born male! |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's Singapore or bust for me. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| These things are always so subjective. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| I would say countries like China, Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia should be ranked higher. I figure in 25 years at least one of those countries will be like Korea now. |
I doubt it. I've been in Korea for nearly 20 years. None of those countries are near what Korea was back then in terms of distribution of wealth and infrastructure. |
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cheezsteakwit
Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Location: There & back again.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
Australia? guess the guy who wrote that has never lived there!
Australia was good back in the 80's and 90's not now.
Australia is ruined! way to expensive now, to many immigrants, to much hate crime, drugs, etc..
that list is just stupid!
Mexico a head of so many other countries?
Russia near the bottom? UAE? yeah if you are born male! |
I haven't read the article yet, but the first area that popped into my head when reading the title was the Nordic area (Norway, Sweden, Finland) , so not surprised Norway was a top 3 choice.
Mainly, the quality of life - cradle to grave social welfare type programs & beautiful women are the 'selling points' for that area , in my mind, BUT ..... too damn cold !! - No thanks
Came across the link below on reddit, re: Australia - G'Day!
http://i.imgur.com/JkogZ.png
Haven't been down there yet, but it's on the short list. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| I think it's Singapore or bust for me. |
^ I'm with this guy. 
The Economist's lists seems okay. Switzerland, Finland, Singapore, HongKong, Canada, agree. But what is Australia doing up there, typo? AU should be down next to the US. And what is China doing down there? If you're smart and know how to work you can make a great life in Shanghai, opportunity everywhere.
Personally I think this is the century of Asia. Their list seems more "where to be that's good right now" rather than the more useful and interesting question "where to get established now, because that�s where the action is tomorrow". |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| I think it's Singapore or bust for me. |
^ I'm with this guy.
The Economist's lists seems okay. Switzerland, Finland, Singapore, HongKong, Canada, agree. But what is Australia doing up there, typo? AU should be down next to the US. And what is China doing down there? If you're smart and know how to work you can make a great life in Shanghai, opportunity everywhere.
Personally I think this is the century of Asia. Their list seems more "where to be that's good right now" rather than the more useful and interesting question "where to get established now, because that�s where the action is tomorrow". |
It's pretty simple: find a country with a demographic bulge and a maturing political culture and go there. |
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1927
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
Australia? guess the guy who wrote that has never lived there!
Australia was good back in the 80's and 90's not now.
Australia is ruined! way to expensive now, to many immigrants, to much hate crime, drugs, etc..
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Ummm... WTF? |
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LuckyNomad
Joined: 28 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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The US should be close to the top. Don't get me wrong. The US has tons of problems but I'd take it over growing up in any place in Asia.
If you are born in China, Korea, Japan, India or any of those places, and you are lucky or rich, you will end up going to live in the US anyway for your childhood and university.
Where is the President of China's daughter right now? Boston.
Born in China? Ha ha. I hope you are a male, cause if not you'll probably end up in a trash can alive or as an aborted fetus, or end up being adopted by a couple in a western country.
Growing up in China will all the pollution and rote learning education system which is basically the same thing as Korea's. And then try to get into a US university. Hopefully once you've finished college and gotten a job in a factory which are slowly leaving for Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Indonesia, you will be ready to support your two parents, your wife's 2 parents and perhaps your 8 grandparents and 1 child.
And as you get a bit older you discover that China has aged just as fast as the already developed countries without becoming a developed country itself. |
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Yagremohbhg
Joined: 04 Oct 2012
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| I would say countries like China, Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia should be ranked higher. I figure in 25 years at least one of those countries will be like Korea now. |
Yah, because Totalitarian governments are so great! |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Yagremohbhg wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| I would say countries like China, Vietnam, Thailand and Malaysia should be ranked higher. I figure in 25 years at least one of those countries will be like Korea now. |
Yah, because Totalitarian governments are so great! |
Don't be surprised if they do develop beyond all expectation. Essentially all the top economies in Asia have been run by non-democratic governments for the initial few decades of their development. And Japan run by one party for like 58 of the last 60 years.
Democracy is probably one of the biggest hindrances in trying to develop a basket-case country, which all of Asia (with the exception of Japan) was a couple of generations ago. |
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sallymonster
Joined: 06 Feb 2010
Location: Seattle area
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If you're born into a rich family in a first world country, your life will be whatever you make of it.
If you're born into a poor family, you'll be less screwed if you're born into a democratic, first world country as opposed to a third world country.
Your nationality matters, but let's face it, what matters even more is the amount of money you're born into. More money = more opportunity for less work. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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I would definitely want to be born somewhere in South Asia, Southeast Asia or Subsaharan Africa. Also how about China?  |
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