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US DoD vs international school vs university?

 
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If you had the choice of all those options, which would you pick?
US DoD school
62%
 62%  [ 5 ]
international school
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
university
12%
 12%  [ 1 ]
hagwon
12%
 12%  [ 1 ]
public school
12%
 12%  [ 1 ]
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steve902



Joined: 29 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:38 pm    Post subject: US DoD vs international school vs university? Reply with quote

If you had the choice of all those options, which would you pick?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: US DoD vs international school vs university? Reply with quote

steve902 wrote:
If you had the choice of all those options, which would you pick?


In descending order:

International school - as in "internationally accredited school for expat kids" (best bang for the buck if you qualify - this isn't entry level stuff and certainly not EFL/ESL)

public school (not a bad entry level job in EFL)

university (decent job but as a complete package the net jingle at the end of the year makes it more about prestige than economics)

hagwon (they have their own problems but a decent hagwon makes a good start into life as an expat)

DoD school (why????? - you get all the disadvantages of being abroad as an expat well as all the disadvantages of working at home).

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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you had the choice of all those options, which would you pick?


Why do you think one is purer than another? Each area has its advantages and disadvantages.

Look at the offer, not the type of offer.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't really ask people to choose between these options, at least most people.

For international and DOD school jobs, you'd be teaching content and need the proper degrees and certs to even get the job. DOD has a pretty strong vets preference, too.

Crapwons? Anybody with a 4 year degree and a pulse. IMHO at the very bottom of the heap. Depends on the person and the crapwon, but I wouldn't want to play the odds.

University jobs, unless you have PhD in hand, are ESL instructor slots. good jobs to have for professional teachers in the field. Increasingly, you need an MA in a related discipline, which is a good thing IMHO. Great vacations, but from what I've heard you hit a salary cap that is tough to break through.

Public school jobs are again only for ESL teaching opportunities. The downside compared to crapwons is that you can get stuck out in the boonies. The upside is that it'll look better on a young persons CV, the hours are often better, and there is some vacation time.

So basically...

DOD and international schools for professional, certified teachers looking to teach content

Universities for dedicated TESOL teachers with their MA

Public schools and crapwons for short termers, those with good qualifications who need to build experience, or those looking to work teaching English without having related or advanced degrees.
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climber159



Joined: 02 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: US DoD vs international school vs university? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
steve902 wrote:
If you had the choice of all those options, which would you pick?


In descending order:

International school - as in "internationally accredited school for expat kids" (best bang for the buck if you qualify - this isn't entry level stuff and certainly not EFL/ESL)

public school (not a bad entry level job in EFL)

university (decent job but as a complete package the net jingle at the end of the year makes it more about prestige than economics)

hagwon (they have their own problems but a decent hagwon makes a good start into life as an expat)

DoD school (why????? - you get all the disadvantages of being abroad as an expat well as all the disadvantages of working at home).

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I second this ranking. I've held positions in hagwons, public schools (EFL), and international schools and I plan to stay, for the foreseeable future, with international schools. If you go for international schools you will most certainly need proper teaching certifications from your home country and some teaching experience. Because many of these positions are quite competitive you'd do well to have an advanced degree as well.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Can't really ask people to choose between these options, at least most people.

For international and DOD school jobs, you'd be teaching content and need the proper degrees and certs to even get the job. DOD has a pretty strong vets preference, too.

Crapwons? Anybody with a 4 year degree and a pulse. IMHO at the very bottom of the heap. Depends on the person and the crapwon, but I wouldn't want to play the odds.

University jobs, unless you have PhD in hand, are ESL instructor slots. good jobs to have for professional teachers in the field. Increasingly, you need an MA in a related discipline, which is a good thing IMHO. Great vacations, but from what I've heard you hit a salary cap that is tough to break through.

Public school jobs are again only for ESL teaching opportunities. The downside compared to crapwons is that you can get stuck out in the boonies. The upside is that it'll look better on a young persons CV, the hours are often better, and there is some vacation time.

So basically...

DOD and international schools for professional, certified teachers looking to teach content

Universities for dedicated TESOL teachers with their MA

Public schools and crapwons for short termers, those with good qualifications who need to build experience, or those looking to work teaching English without having related or advanced degrees.


No salary cap for me. I've been getting a raise, the same as my Korean colleagues, every year I've been employed at my current job.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fantastic, and I hope that continues as it well should. That was also the case at SNU where several friends of mine had worked for years. All of a sudden that system was panned and they swung to low wages, no raises, and term limits. There was an immediate mass exodus, needless to say. Other universities have cleaned ESL house, too. Konkuk comes to mind, but that was years and years ago.

Ewha and Yonsei might not have caps, in addition to some of the small, private universities like Sejong. Sejong did change its pay/housing structure a while back, but I'm not sure about caps or term limits. You'd have to check or maybe someone will chime in.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
That's fantastic, and I hope that continues as it well should. That was also the case at SNU where several friends of mine had worked for years. All of a sudden that system was panned and they swung to low wages, no raises, and term limits. There was an immediate mass exodus, needless to say. Other universities have cleaned ESL house, too. Konkuk comes to mind, but that was years and years ago.

Ewha and Yonsei might not have caps, in addition to some of the small, private universities like Sejong. Sejong did change its pay/housing structure a while back, but I'm not sure about caps or term limits. You'd have to check or maybe someone will chime in.


I'm not worried. I know the top guys at administration quite well and they've assured me that it would never happen. They want to keep the qualified teachers that they have.
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