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Pub Sch contract renewal....anyone actually not get renewed?
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: In my goshiwon cubicle. Seeking moksha.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: So now... Reply with quote

Soldier wrote:
Andrew Chon...where are you now?

Did the school system change their minds and sign you on again for another year?

Or, did you complete the contract and go somewhere else; and what type of school?

I'd also love to hear from others as well.

Cheers.


Sit Rep: I've been red-carded but I am obliged to complete my contract. It ends on Mar 1st. I've snuck a peak at next batch of candidates they are considering and they are all blonde, female, USA and smoking hot babes!

My principal is very keen on volleyball, so Pamela Anderson would be an ideal candidate.
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Soldier



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:45 am    Post subject: Face to face interviews Reply with quote

Why is the school itself doing face to face interviews. I thought the provincial education dept did them, either from someone's home country, or in Korea at the relevent prov office.

Anyway, at least you get to finish up, not get the boot before hand. Just to confirm, is this your first year teaching at the current school?

At least you get severance, and not fired before the end of the contract like in the 11th month, just to be mean, for example.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: In my goshiwon cubicle. Seeking moksha.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school gets funding from the townhall, not GEPIK. So they do their own recruiting. This is year 2 for me at this school. Because I was hired 'already in Korea' they didn't have to give me a return plane ticket home. However, for some reason, ,money was set aside for that. But since I detest flying with every fibre of my being, I graciously declined the offer. Problem is they cannot 'not' give me the plane ticket, without generating another mountain of paperwork. Simplest thing to do is for me to take the ticket and blast off to somewhere, but no, it's not happenning.
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Soldier



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Job Security Reply with quote

Sounds like you either have to break the law....or in their eyes suck...exceptionally suck at teaching for superiors and administration to do the mountains of paperwork to fire and replace you.

At least in their eyes....the superiors can either think you are good or bad...and it's not always a true reflection of your teaching.

Teaching evaluations of any kind are subjective anyway. Don't trust them. Only trust the good ones....: -)

Actual answers correct notwithstanding...these only tell you what kind of relationship you had with the superior or teacher. Yes...there is ability....but it is not always reflected in a true manner.

Cheers.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm wondering now if Schwa is ethnically Korean? Nothing wrong with that of course. But it would help explain why he's so keen to paint foreign teachers in such a negative light.




I believe (I may be wrong) that he is/was a co-coordinator for an area and been in Korea for a good number of years - if he's the person I’m thinking of he seemed like a nice enough guy.....

So his quote of saying something along the lines of foreigners normally bring it on themselves is a reasonable thing to say because he normally gets the information from both 'sides of the fence' so to speak.....and then has to help deal with the mess!

And no I’m not going to 'out' said person even if I am right because that wouldn't be a very cool thing to do! Cool
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: sokcho

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Lucas. I make no attempt to disguise myself on these forums. Hundreds of current & former teachers could probably identify me from specifics in my comments & I always post with that in mind.

In terms of this thread I may have overspoken. When I said teachers were "almost always" dismissed for their own shortcomings, I might better have written "more often than not."

I've sat in on supervisors' decisions. I have stood up for some good teachers who were paired with antagonistic co-teachers & helped win them transfers & a second chance. This is not a common occurrence in Gangwondo, but it happens. I try to help out & advocate for teachers who are trying their best.

With current annual reductions in EPIK numbers, school evaluations take on increased importance with regard to renewal. Good attitude is paramount. Good effort tends to be recognized. Anything perceivable as insubordination can sink a teacher.

Almost every teacher overestimates their own effectiveness. I'm guilty of that too. Value is also contingent on being a pleasant presence in the workplace. Theres no concrete formula for that, it comes down to your people skills.

Valued teachers whose positions are eliminated can generally slide into jobs left open by attrition.

The system isnt perfect, but its understandable.
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22tea77



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
Location: United States

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:

Valued teachers whose positions are eliminated can generally slide into jobs left open by attrition.

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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
In terms of this thread I may have overspoken. When I said teachers were "almost always" dismissed for their own shortcomings, I might better have written "more often than not."


Unfortunately, you are still guilty of 'overspeaking'. Unless you have reliable statistics, compiled by a neutral third party, for the entire peninsula dealing with thousands of Western teachers who have gone through the Korean public school systems (EPIK, GEPIK, SMOE), and you are qualified as a statistician to evaluate those statistics, and you are able to distinquish between the 'said' reason for not renewing a given contract and the actual reason for it, then your generalization (however modified) must still be taken with a large dose of salt.

Again, unless you have super cognitive powers that ther rest of us simply don't possess, you have no way of knowing what you are claiming to know.

I don't think this is an unreasonable conclusion.
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