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NYC_Gal 2.0



Joined: 10 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject: PSA: New immigration policy Reply with quote

As of January of this year, if you leave your contract early without getting a letter of release, you can't get a new visa for the remainder of the contract. Visa runs no longer apply.

The only time this does not apply is if you have actual proof that your boss wasn't paying you or something similar. Then it's on a case-by-case basis.
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any evidence, such as a notice from the immigration office, stating this change has happened. Because it is a pretty big change, I wouldn't just take some guys word for it.

Also, usually changes are posted on the immigration website HiKorea, this change is not mentioned at all in the "announcement - notice" section, where these types of things are posted.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:26 am    Post subject: Re: PSA: New immigration policy Reply with quote

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:
As of January of this year, if you leave your contract early without getting a letter of release, you can't get a new visa for the remainder of the contract. Visa runs no longer apply.

The only time this does not apply is if you have actual proof that your boss wasn't paying you or something similar. Then it's on a case-by-case basis.


So in other words, it's going back to the way it use to be.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: PSA: New immigration policy Reply with quote

BigBuds wrote:
NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:
As of January of this year, if you leave your contract early without getting a letter of release, you can't get a new visa for the remainder of the contract. Visa runs no longer apply.

The only time this does not apply is if you have actual proof that your boss wasn't paying you or something similar. Then it's on a case-by-case basis.


So in other words, it's going back to the way it use to be.


Busan has been behaving like that since XMAS.

Not sure about Seoul. My contacts say no but each individual officer at the desk has the "final say" when your application hits their desk for a new visa confirmation number.

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NYC_Gal 2.0



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My evidence is a few friends who were hired to start at unis and international schools in March, but now can't take the jobs because immigration won't issue visa issuance numbers for visa runs because of the new policy. I have no links, but just call 1345 tomorrow if you're curious.
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Soldier



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:51 am    Post subject: Link Reply with quote

Yeah, I would like to see a hard link myself. Something published, rather a feeling on a whim because some immigration didn't get their oppi oopi that morning.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration officials always had discretionary powers to change the rules

as they see fit.

Nothing new at all.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but with a new base policy, it's good to be aware that you may not have the option of a visa run if they aren't going to issue a VIN.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Link Reply with quote

Soldier wrote:
Yeah, I would like to see a hard link myself. Something published, rather a feeling on a whim because some immigration didn't get their oppi oopi that morning.


Office policy changes are almost never "published".

It has always been at the prerogative of the immigration officer reviewing the file when the application hits his/her desk.

If the policy in the office has been "firmed up" (as it has already been in Busan since XMAS) then it is what it is.

I suspect (supposition only) that there have been a larger number of "runners" under the 6 month mark (people who think working here is like working at home) that were the trigger for the tightening up of the policy. Wait 6 months. it will change again.

Also to note: it has long been the policy to give grief to people jumping ship from public schools.

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Soldier



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: No supporting jumping ship w/o a serious reason... Reply with quote

The problem I have is that these laws are subjective, no objective policies to test the criteria of each case; so that no matter whose file comes across the desk, it will get the same response, same treatment.

That system allows an imm officer to look at it and from their own personal feelings say 'eeessss' or 'narr', based on person's emotions running thru them for the day.

God forbid if you file comes across the desk after the imm officer is hung over , or has a fight with their spouce or children. They will be naturally pissed and take it out on someone's application file.

I like a system of transparent polices, objective rules that are easily accessed by the internet.

Since there is no appearent rule clearly published from imm, there is no solid grounds for grievance.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: No supporting jumping ship w/o a serious reason... Reply with quote

Soldier wrote:
The problem I have is that these laws are subjective, no objective policies to test the criteria of each case; so that no matter whose file comes across the desk, it will get the same response, same treatment.

That system allows an imm officer to look at it and from their own personal feelings say 'eeessss' or 'narr', based on person's emotions running thru them for the day.

God forbid if you file comes across the desk after the imm officer is hung over , or has a fight with their spouce or children. They will be naturally pissed and take it out on someone's application file.

I like a system of transparent polices, objective rules that are easily accessed by the internet.

Since there is no appearent rule clearly published from imm, there is no solid grounds for grievance.


Not law... policy... immigration officers in every country (including our home countries) have the same prerogative to use their discretion (based on the level of their hangover, morning coffee , getting laid last night or personal opinion) when adjudicating a file.

Nothing unusual there...

been that way for the last 60 years or so and it isn't likely to change any time soon either.

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Soldier



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Courts Reply with quote

Yeah...and that is why in the West you've got lawyers spatting at the imm officials and their lawyers; costing taxpayer's millions of dollars in court fees, only then forcing the dept to admit they were wrong in the first place.

So then, you have a nation saying:" Sowwy, we fu**ed up, you were wight after all." Millions of taxpayers dollars spent due to the lack of transparency.

Sorry, I am a stickler with this issue. I feel that while the law is a good one, some good people have been given the shaft. That's my issue here.

I know it's different here, who has the funds to hire one?

That said, trancparency is much better.
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Los Angeloser



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: No supporting jumping ship w/o a serious reason... Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Soldier wrote:
The problem I have is that these laws are subjective, no objective policies to test the criteria of each case; so that no matter whose file comes across the desk, it will get the same response, same treatment.

That system allows an imm officer to look at it and from their own personal feelings say 'eeessss' or 'narr', based on person's emotions running thru them for the day.

God forbid if you file comes across the desk after the imm officer is hung over , or has a fight with their spouce or children. They will be naturally pissed and take it out on someone's application file.

I like a system of transparent polices, objective rules that are easily accessed by the internet.

Since there is no appearent rule clearly published from imm, there is no solid grounds for grievance.


Not law... policy... immigration officers in every country (including our home countries) have the same prerogative to use their discretion (based on the level of their hangover, morning coffee , getting laid last night or personal opinion) when adjudicating a file.

Nothing unusual there...

been that way for the last 60 years or so and it isn't likely to change any time soon either.

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Yes but the rules are made public in my home country so the width of "discretion" is less and they can't look at you with a blank stare as easily when talking to them about the public/posted rule like Korean immi can with their non-public rules.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it also apply if you were fired from a job?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
Does it also apply if you were fired from a job?


in Busan, yes.

Elsewhere, maybe.
(depends on whether or not you have a valid claim against your employer at the labor office or can get a LOR).

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