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McQwaid
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| Being on the fringes of society can get to you. In Vancouver, Canada, there is a real problem of homeless drug addicted people along a certain stretch of road. They very often suddenly up and wander out in the middle of the road and obstruct the 'real world' traffic. They do this because the honks and the tires screeching and the like remind them that they are still alive. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I love these quotes from imaginary friends |
You made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you to show that they are imaginary. of course they aren't and you can't prove it otherwise. |
And the burden of proof is on you to prove my friend acted badly by leaving the job. Are you going to claim you already addressed this too?
Once again, explain with support, why my friend acted badly by leaving the job. You're lucky this is the internet where you can run and hide when it suits you.
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| kinship wrote: |
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| I love these quotes from imaginary friends |
You made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you to show that they are imaginary. of course they aren't and you can't prove it otherwise. |
You go first - prove that you're a Doctor. lol |
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kinship
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| No. You could not support your arguement with facts. So you chose not to answer my question. |
What a laugh, you could not and still do not respond directly to my points. As I pointed out, just because the law grants something doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. As I also pointed out, different cultures, by law, make legal and 'right' acts that are illegal and wrong in other socieites.
You have no position for all you are advocating is confusion and the removal of right and wrong, good and evil. That is not right nor a right. Plus you are creating excuses for westerners to act as they please regardless of who they hurt. Again, not a right thing to do.
You have presented nothing that makes your position logical let alone constructive to society or employment. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| You still haven't addressed the points that TJ and crescent have brought up. |
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kinship
Joined: 24 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| I love these quotes from imaginary friends |
You made the claim, the burden of proof is upon you to show that they are imaginary. of course they aren't and you can't prove it otherwise. |
You go first - prove that you're a Doctor. lol |
One problem, you all have assumed something and gone with that assumption. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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What a laugh, you could not and still do not respond directly to my points. As I pointed out, just because the law grants something doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. As I also pointed out, different cultures, by law, make legal and 'right' acts that are illegal and wrong in other socieites.
You have no position for all you are advocating is confusion and the removal of right and wrong, good and evil. That is not right nor a right. Plus you are creating excuses for westerners to act as they please regardless of who they hurt. Again, not a right thing to do.
You have presented nothing that makes your position logical let alone constructive to society or employment. |
What's funny is that you seem to think that only law, and not morality is perceived differently by different cultures.
One last time. Here's your chance to vindicate your sorry mess of a position.
Prove, with support , why it is bad, or evil, for my friend to leave his job
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yonshinnae
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Still going to avoid answering my questions I see.
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kinship
Joined: 24 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Still going to avoid answering my questions I see.
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I have done so but I see you avoiding responding ot my points. |
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misher
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Here I think finances play a role. You cannot pay someone what you do not have and sadly, many experienced teachers require a higher salary than newbies require.
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For the small startup hagwon owned by someone who doesn't do proper research and doesn't construct a sound business plan, yeah, they can't afford much.
However for the large chains that take up the majority of private english ed profits this is not the case.
Businesses like wonderland, avalon, ybm, pagoda, jung chul, cdi et al. exist solely for the purpose of maximizing profits PERIOD.
They don't pay teachers what they can afford. They pay what they can get away with due to supply and demand. So to think these poor hagwons can't afford to pay qualified teachers is absolute rubbish. They could but like any business around the world, upper management/ownership is just too greedy when they can be to the detriment of the student.
PS schools also don't want to double the salary for real teachers (trust me they would come in droves if SK paid what the middle east does)
because of yes, budget constraints, but I think more importantly, The Korean teachers union wouldn't like it hence the hiring of "assistant native-speakers" not real licensed teachers that know what they're doing. |
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kinship
Joined: 24 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Still going to avoid answering my questions I see.
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Not at all. You haven't presented anything other than 'westerners can act any way they want to when it is convenient for them regardless of the inconvenience to others'. No one can support that argument for the reasons already given in this thread. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Still going to avoid answering my questions I see.
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I have done so but I see you avoiding responding ot my points. |
No, you haven't. And everyone but you is noting it in this thread. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| You haven't presented anything other than 'westerners can act any way they want to when it is convenient for them regardless of the inconvenience to others'. No one can support that argument for the reasons already given in this thread. |
Ok, you're still going to dishonestly ignore my question. Thanks for the concession once again.
Let's try a new one.
The problem is that you have not shown why it is inconvenient to the person who broke the contract in the first place. Why should the person who initially held no regard for legal OR moral principles be granted any convenience?
C'mon, you're supposed to be an expert on this subject, 'doctor'. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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No doubt that kinship's point will eventually devolve into DDT's previous stance - that man is flawed, especially western man, and that the only moral good is God's good.
His hint towards hogwon teachers making too much and being a drain on little schools reminds me of that. No doubt, he feels the teacher should work for less so as not to put a strain on the school. Heck, maybe they can just suck it up and move into a classroom. This reminds me if those job offers for Christian schools - spread the word of God in English ... and get free housing. But meanwhile, those schools pocket what would be the wage.
DDT is trying his best to squirm out of TJ's and crescent's question because he knows everyone will laugh their butts off at his base theory. He'll continue to toss out small tid bits, but is trying his darnedest not to fully reveal himself. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| DDT is trying his best to squirm out of TJ's and crescent's question because he knows everyone will laugh their butts off at his base theory. He'll continue to toss out small tid bits, but is trying his darnedest not to fully reveal himself. |
kinship is doing the same to my list of situations posted earlier in this thread. |
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