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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Koreans giving 'eyewitness' accountsa of a dispute between foreigners and a fellow Korean. Hmm, I think I'll wait for the CCTV evidence.  |
So wait, a foreigner posts a story about being jumped by Koreans and people automatically believe them and sympathize with them, but when its a Korean reporting a crime, its "wait & see".
It's fine to say "Wait & see", just do it both for foreigners who claim they are victims and for Koreans as well.
We don't know what happened, but it appears there is testimony from multiple sources and at least some sort of CCTV footage.
But the main issue here is the alleged sexual assault. |
Well, I have to say if one of the Koreans on the subway came here and complained about the incident people would be offering assistance on how to report the soldiers as well as other anything else they might need. There would be some guys being jerks, but that's to be expected on every forum. The issue on the thread about the foreigner being attacked was that some folks were trying to derail it and avoid offering advice for the situation. If someone is asking for advice here, I tend to think it's better to give them the benefit of the doubt and tell them what they are legally entitled too. If they are lying those entitlements will be void anyway. |
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McQwaid
Joined: 18 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Something important to consider when discussing such issues is that the Korean media disproportionately reports "foreigner crime" with all of the typical harmful media reporting biases found in all human cultures.
Korean crime by Koreans in Korea isn't very 'juicy' news for Koreans
Does this have an impact on well-behaved Western English teachers in Korea?
You betcha. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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You are as dishonest as the day is long.
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| I see I now have the answer to one question I posed to you in another thread. You obviously, being the moralist you are, consider asserting I said something I did not say to be a moral act. |
You really like to dodge observations made by others by altering little points in your comments. If you said something totally literal and specific then you may be right but since details about a person are not transmitted solely by such restrictive means, you are not correct.
Everyone sees this in you, but I think I am about the only one brave enough to tell you to your face. You are not who you think you are.
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| As a matter of fact, Koreans breaking Korean law in Korea has had an impact on foreigners living in Korea. Certain of the requirements introduced in the last few years by the Korean government were in response to incidents involving teachers and children, but those incidents did not involve foreigners. The degree verification requirement was introduced after a rather embarrassing scandal involving only Koreans |
The degree verification was not instituted by Koreans acting badly. It was in effect long before I got here and over a decade ago I used to go through degree verification 2 -3 times a year. So did many other westerners and they complained about it at the time.
Now the form of that degree veriufication may have changed over the years but it was around long before you think. But still, you prove my point, westerners refuse to take the blame for their actions.
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| When you decide to condemn a group of people for the acts of a few, it does matter and it's a concern for people who actually are moral. You can continue to paint westerners as immoral and evil all you want, but the facts show you to be mistaken |
Actually I don't. The words I use leave room for the innocent to exempted. It could be that you have a smaller standard for right and wrong for westerners than I do. I include midnight runs to be a wrong and immoral act as I do quitting without notice.
There are more people involved than just a westerner and an employer but you seem to fail to see the bigger picture.
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| I have no blinders. When are you going to stop telling lies? |
I didn't tell a lie but nice distortion of my words. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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So wait, a foreigner posts a story about being jumped by Koreans and people automatically believe them and sympathize with them, but when its a Korean reporting a crime, its "wait & see".
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Well, for starters, in some sections of the Korean media, this kind of story is a Korean journalist's wet dream (*cough MBC *cough*). Again, when it comes to these kinds of stories involving foreigners, some Korean journalists have been known to "spice up" the story a little bit (*cough MBC *cough*).
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| Then the soldiers repeatedly touched Jeon's breasts.. |
Is anyone really that stupid to do that on train filled with people, with eyewitnesses and CCTV? |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you think that people are told only once? Maybe there was an official meeting four years ago but commanding officers do remind soldiers from time to time. |
When I was in, our unit told us at the last formation every week to stay out of trouble. And guess what? People still got in trouble. |
Which supports my point that soldiers aren't listening to their commanding officers and that is a troubling piece of information. |
Well then you're going to find this most troubling, in a few instances those officers and senior NCO's telling their younger soldiers to behave, were the ones getting in trouble. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| folks ignore kinship, he's just a sock/troll of thiessen, he's not worth your time |
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highstreet
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Do the people who believe that the Korea media disproportionately reports foreigner crime have any stats to back this up?
I watch Korean news everyday and try to read Korean news websites everyday, I might see a story about foreigners once or twice a week. And it's usually about 3D workers. |
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John Stamos jr.
Joined: 07 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| This article is untrue since it says the perpetrators were playing a "boombox" and those didn't make it out of the 90s. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| highstreet wrote: |
Do the people who believe that the Korea media disproportionately reports foreigner crime have any stats to back this up?
I watch Korean news everyday and try to read Korean news websites everyday, I might see a story about foreigners once or twice a week. And it's usually about 3D workers. |
You are not reading and watching enough Korean news. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| highstreet wrote: |
Do the people who believe that the Korea media disproportionately reports foreigner crime have any stats to back this up?
I watch Korean news everyday and try to read Korean news websites everyday, I might see a story about foreigners once or twice a week. And it's usually about 3D workers. |
Prior to 2010 and for most of the last decade. There are plenty of ways to search it out. But, nowadays, not so much. Still that MBC thing a year ago brought back some bad memories. |
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highstreet
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| newb wrote: |
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Do the people who believe that the Korea media disproportionately reports foreigner crime have any stats to back this up?
I watch Korean news everyday and try to read Korean news websites everyday, I might see a story about foreigners once or twice a week. And it's usually about 3D workers. |
You are not reading and watching enough Korean news. |
I also read blogs by foreigners living in Korea. They translate articles to English, I'm sure most of you know these blogs. The only ones I can remember from the past year were the teachers playing cards on the subway floor, the black guy and the korean guy yelling on the bus, the docu made by some network about foreigners.
Unless you all are talking about not just foreigner crime news, but any news with foreigners as the subject. |
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Moondoggy
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| This article is untrue since it says the perpetrators were playing a "boombox" and those didn't make it out of the 90s. |
you haven't been to South Gate recently. |
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John Stamos jr.
Joined: 07 Oct 2012
Location: Namsan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Moondoggy wrote: |
| John Stamos jr. wrote: |
| This article is untrue since it says the perpetrators were playing a "boombox" and those didn't make it out of the 90s. |
you haven't been to South Gate recently. |
Is that a neighborhood near some Korea town in the US, angry gyopo poster? |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone really surprised?
Despite what the apologists will say groups of soldiers are best to be avoided. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| If Koreans did it, it's cute. GI's do it, it's ugly and rude. |
"Cute," that's funny.  But sadly there's some truth to it. |
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