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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la vue

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive noticed it seems to happen less when i glare/look at people directly in the eyes. They move their bodies slightly so as to give us both room. i then respond accordingly. I think the eye contact gives people a chance to be aware of you/your intentions (ie im going to walk by you now...).
The opposite is when im carrying bags/shopping. For some reason people, (mostly women) smash into me constantly like seagulls off a propeller or dogs to bike wheels. They seem to be drawn to them as if they are challenging the bags to bend to their will. They always come off worse.

i whole heartedly agree with fermentation - interesting read
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rambler wrote:
Personal space is important to westerners. It isn't something that folks consider here. They aren't being rude, they're just different than you. Respect that and get on with your day.


The rest of the world (or most of it) considers it rude.

After over a decade here, I go with the flow though. When the do it to me I just keep going, and if they end up on their butt, then hey... I am not being rude. I am just being different. After all, personal space is different for Westerners.

Like when a group of people rushes into the subway car as I attempt to exit. I just push the whole group over. I only do this when I am in front and they rush in as soon as the doors open.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just can't understand the passive aggressive seating arrangement on the buses here. People intentionally sit on the outside so as to make it difficult for you to try and squeeze past them to get to the window seat. Just scoot over and let the person sit down. And in turn, when people have to get off at their stop, why should they have to squeeze past you again? Stand up and let the person comfortably get out of their seat!! I always stand up and let the window seat person get out easily, hopefully Koreans will see this and start a trend in my area.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've learned to enjoy the stupidity of people blocking my path, or bumping into me. Shoulder checking idiots out of my path is a great means of stress relief. If I'm waiting to exit a subway car or an elevator, and people start pushing in they get to meet my shoulder. Same with people who step into my path when I'm walking, idiots glued to their cell phones, and clowns going down the subway steps in the wrong direction. Korean walking habits used to drive me nuts, now I look forward to the fools. If I've had a rough day and I'm walking home I secretly hope that as many idiots as possible bump into me because they inevitably get the worst of it. And I get a small sense of satisfaction. For me, walking down a street in Korea now is akin to going bowling.Very Happy
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking with one of my students about this a while back (40yr male), and he laughed. He said that when he and his friends get together, they often walk 4-5 abreast. He said they felt like they controlled the street. It was his way if feeling tough/powerful.


When possible, I try to sidestep these types. But I'm not going to walk in the gutter for them. I have no qualms bumping back if need - especially leaving a subway it elevator.
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A Korean man's world ends at the tip of his nose."

-Ancient Chinese proverb
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My guess is that they wouldn't do it in the States but they adapt to Korea by acting like other Koreans. Heck you even have foreigners who admit they shove people out of the way. I've been pushed by white people a couple times too. When in Rome, right?


So i guess the gyopo waving her hand around while walking was just an idiot. Perhaps the boyfriends "Don't do this in my country" comment supports the idiot couple theory.
I see a lot of people that seem to enjoy a perceived sport element of colliding with Koreans. When in Rome, they say. I thought the Romans used to have sex with young boys. Think about it, folks. Wink
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. BlackCat wrote:
"A Korean man's world ends at the tip of his nose."

-Ancient Chinese proverb


Awesome quote. It explains so much.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



Joined: 10 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to hate it. Now I enjoy it, because when I'm in a bad mood I can smash into people. Stress relief.

Eye contract will get them to stop bumping into you. Glare or smile. Depends on the mood, I guess.
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a mystery when Koreans stroll into your path when there's no need to.
Now, I just stop immediately in front of them and force them try to navigate around me.

I think a lot of it is a combination of things: power-tripping, general ignorance and lack of spatial awareness.

I have noticed the cart wars have gotten less intense. Less of a need to push away shopping carts that Koreans just leave in the middle of aisles.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate chiming in on whine about Korea threads but this one always drags me out...

Dodge7 wrote:
I just can't understand the passive aggressive seating arrangement on the buses here. People intentionally sit on the outside so as to make it difficult for you to try and squeeze past them to get to the window seat.


Hate to say it but got to agree with you. Of late, I've become aware of people who put their bags in the window seat like it's an extra deterrent against uninvited fellow passengers. Screw you bud, take a damn taxi if you want to sit all by your lonesome.

Kaptain Korea wrote:
I was talking with one of my students about this a while back (40yr male), and he laughed. He said that when he and his friends get together, they often walk 4-5 abreast. He said they felt like they controlled the street. It was his way if feeling tough/powerful.


Between this story (I think you mentioned it one of the last times this topic was in the cycle) and fermentation's post about his experiences, I'm honestly disappointed to hear that it's essentially people seeing what they can get away with. If that's really the case then I will stop feeling guilty about the idea of becoming far more of a mercenary with those who abuse it.

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My newest pet peeve (because everything except the bus comment is old hat) is when there is a set of doors that swing open that are both unlocked and yet everyone insists on going through one door. This door is invariably the one I was planning to use. I've begun yelling (in English unfortunately) at groups about how there are two doors and pushing the other one open.

I probably sound like a lunatic. Laughing
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I was talking with one of my students about this a while back (40yr male), and he laughed. He said that when he and his friends get together, they often walk 4-5 abreast. He said they felt like they controlled the street. It was his way if feeling tough/powerful.


When possible, I try to sidestep these types. But I'm not going to walk in the gutter for them. I have no qualms bumping back if need - especially leaving a subway it elevator.


You'd bump back against these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7wL7mkgnos
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savant wrote:
It's a mystery when Koreans stroll into your path when there's no need to.
Now, I just stop immediately in front of them and force them try to navigate around me.

I think a lot of it is a combination of things: power-tripping, general ignorance and lack of spatial awareness.


I don't understand how they appear to have no sense of what is happening around them, peering down at their hand-a-pone, yet aren't constantly bumping into each other.

It feels like I'm the only one who has the bumping problem while they despite all odds magically fail to collide. Embarassed
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JustinC



Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found this bumping a lot, but have two good techniques for avoiding it.

They can be yours for 3 small paym...

Ah heck, for free;

1) Walk around looking to your left or right and not ahead. People see you're not capable of avoiding them so avoid you.
2) Walk slowly, just amble, no bumps at all.

Actually, thinking about it, I probably do 2 as a consequence of 1, ha ha.

Back in London I would stride purposely everywhere, and people would be constantly crossing my path, especially in major train/tube stations, and were also purposely striding but I'd navigate through without a single bump. The same happens in many European cities and (especially) Hong Kong.

Here people seem to amble in wiggly lines, slow, reverse and stop and my speed/inertia were too much to avoid collisions, so I've learnt to slow down in crowds.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustinC wrote:
Here people seem to amble in wiggly lines, slow, reverse and stop.


Yes! Dammit all to hell!
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