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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Shanghai
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This is certainly a most unexpected development.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/safrica-police-pistorius-detective-faces-065748063--oly.html
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| Police Brig. Neville Malila told The Associated Press that detective Hilton Botha - who gave testimony in the Pistorius bail hearing on Wednesday - is scheduled to appear in court in May on seven counts of attempted murder. The charges relate to an incident in October 2011, when Botha and two other police officers fired shots at a minibus, Malila said. |
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| On Wednesday, the prosecution case against Pistorius began to unravel with revelations of a series of police blunders and Botha's admission that authorities have no evidence challenging the double-amputee Olympic athlete's claim he killed his girlfriend accidentally. |
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| In his often confused testimony, Botha, who was described as a 24-year police veteran with 16 years as a detective, conceded that police had left a 9 mm slug from the barrage that killed Steenkamp inside a toilet at the scene. Police also lost track of illegal ammunition found inside the house, Botha said, and the detective himself walked through the crime scene without wearing protective shoe covers, potentially contaminating the area. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Guy's a fraud to begin with. He owes all his accomplishments to his blades that gave him a tremendous advantage in races. The fact that races allow these things in actual competitions is ridiculous. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| I hope to ell they don't try to blame it on steroids - that's such a crock. |
Pistorius is looking more like Chris Benoit every day.
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Roid Rage, you bet, it exists and anyone who is experienced with anabolic steroids and tells you differently is either lying or misinformed.
Generally this is observed as random outburst of anger far beyond what is deemed appropriate to a particular situation. http://www.steroid.com/Roid-Rage.php |
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| I just think this guy went crazy when he found out that she had other guy friends. Just brutal stuff. |
Yep. Massive ego combined with physical disability that would otherwise render him unattractive to women. |
Chris Benoit was the way he was because of the cocktail of drugs he was on. Steroids just happened to be one of them.
As for Pistorius...BS that was an accident. I hear noise at night, first thing I do is check if my wife is still in bed. We've all been in that situation, we all know that the normal way of reacting. Besides, even a guy who's paranoid about burglars would normally say, "Hey, honey, is that you in the washroom? Is everything okay?". Shoot and asks questions later? It's no accident she's dead. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Definately would not want to be you Corea. Your abuse of illegal steroids has given you a multitude of potential ways to die young be it heart failure, liver failure or cancer. All detailed in medical journals and all readily accessible when you decide to face up to it. There are literally thousands of peer reviewed studies. So I am assuming you do don't believe in Global warming then? Extreme right wing, correct? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: DC area
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
This is certainly a most unexpected development.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/safrica-police-pistorius-detective-faces-065748063--oly.html
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| Police Brig. Neville Malila told The Associated Press that detective Hilton Botha - who gave testimony in the Pistorius bail hearing on Wednesday - is scheduled to appear in court in May on seven counts of attempted murder. The charges relate to an incident in October 2011, when Botha and two other police officers fired shots at a minibus, Malila said. |
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| On Wednesday, the prosecution case against Pistorius began to unravel with revelations of a series of police blunders and Botha's admission that authorities have no evidence challenging the double-amputee Olympic athlete's claim he killed his girlfriend accidentally. |
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| In his often confused testimony, Botha, who was described as a 24-year police veteran with 16 years as a detective, conceded that police had left a 9 mm slug from the barrage that killed Steenkamp inside a toilet at the scene. Police also lost track of illegal ammunition found inside the house, Botha said, and the detective himself walked through the crime scene without wearing protective shoe covers, potentially contaminating the area. |
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New lead detective on the case
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| PRETORIA, South Africa � The South African police replaced the lead investigator in the Oscar Pistorius homicide case on Thursday after embarrassing revelations that he was facing seven charges of attempted murder himself. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Definately would not want to be you Corea. Your abuse of illegal steroids has given you a multitude of potential ways to die young be it heart failure, liver failure or cancer. All detailed in medical journals and all readily accessible when you decide to face up to it. There are literally thousands of peer reviewed studies. So I am assuming you do don't believe in Global warming then? Extreme right wing, correct? |
Instead of talking about global warming, why not just post a few of the studies? It's always nice to see legitimate studies posted. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Definately would not want to be you Corea. Your abuse of illegal steroids has given you a multitude of potential ways to die young be it heart failure, liver failure or cancer. All detailed in medical journals and all readily accessible when you decide to face up to it. There are literally thousands of peer reviewed studies. So I am assuming you do don't believe in Global warming then? Extreme right wing, correct? |
1. Who said they were illegal? Where I come from steroids are simply a controlled substance - one that you can be in possession of and use - just not traffic in.
2. You seem determined to talk out of your ass. You've yet to site any decent studies, and always go on and on about conspiracy theories.
As with any drug/substance, there are always dangers - but what are they, realistically? When you read the side of a OTC drug and see the massive list of possible side effects, so you throw it in the garbage and hide under your covers? Nah, chances are, you know that the risks are small compared to the possible benefits.
As I said before, Roid Rage is comparable to Reefer Madness or Fan Death - while still in the realm of possibilities, it's such an outlier, and so over hyped, it's makes anyone with actual knowledge chuckle. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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A simple perusal of online medical journals would show that Corea is trying to delude himself into thinking his seroid abuse will/has not lead to serious side effects already. These are detailed in literally thousands of studies linking anabolic steroid abuse to psychological and physical side effects including increased aggression 'roid rage' premature death from cancers, heart diseases and liver failure.
There is a reason that Steroids are controlled substances in Canada.
Steroids are primarily used by doctors for medical uses and we all know if we have used them that they should be stopped after a short period of time. Prolonged use has serious side effects which abusers stubbornly ignore. Because they have body image issues. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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People that I뭭e know that have taken steroids (other than for REAL medical reasons) have normally taken them because they were bullied/abused/hot happy with themselves when they were younger.....
By becoming 'bigger' they form a shield between the 'old them' and the 'new them.'
Very sad. 
http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n2/2/v5n2-2pdf.pdf |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucas wrote: |
People that I뭭e know that have taken steroids (other than for REAL medical reasons) have normally taken them because they were bullied/abused/hot happy with themselves when they were younger.....
By becoming 'bigger' they form a shield between the 'old them' and the 'new them.'
Very sad.
http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n2/2/v5n2-2pdf.pdf |
The paper hardly refutes the majority of research on the dangers on AAS. The discussion section is much like the title. The section on 'roid rage' refers to one study whereas there are dozens of studies done showing a link. Overall not really helping Corea's case. It is much what he said "I don't believe that I am harming myself" despite a mountain of medical studies reporting otherwise. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
A simple perusal of online medical journals would show that Corea is trying to delude himself into thinking his seroid abuse will/has not lead to serious side effects already. These are detailed in literally thousands of studies linking anabolic steroid abuse to psychological and physical side effects including increased aggression 'roid rage' premature death from cancers, heart diseases and liver failure.
There is a reason that Steroids are controlled substances in Canada.
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Without evidence, you've lost.
From Lucas's study:
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| Recent study by Pope and colleagues (2000) reported that significant elevations in aggressiveness and manic scores were observed following 12 weeks of testosterone cypionate injections in a controlled double-blind cross-over study. Interestingly, the results of this study were not uniform across the subjects. Most subjects showed little psychological effect and few developed prominent effects. A cause and effect relationship has yet to be identified in anabolic steroid users and it does appear that individuals who experience psychological or behavioral changes do recover when steroid use is discontinued (Fudula et al., 2003). |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Problem being he cited only that one whereas there are numerous studies that do show a link. That is why that particular section of the study is so poor.
In general the study does not rule out a link but only questions it. The discussion section continues to raise rather than answer questions.
Not the kind of backup article you would want to go on if you were a steroid abuser hoping your body was not going to pack up later on.
Also the quote that you gave specifically gives support to the idea of steroids causing 'roid rage' btw.
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| and it does appear that individuals who experience psychological or behavioral changes do recover when steroid use is discontinued (Fudula et al., 2003). |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: DC area
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Problem being he cited only that one whereas there are numerous studies that do show a link. |
So when are you going to provide such studies? Or are you going to just keep on insisting there are studies out there proving your point without anything to back that assertion up? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
A simple perusal of online medical journals would show that Corea is trying to delude himself into thinking his seroid abuse will/has not lead to serious side effects already. These are detailed in literally thousands of studies linking anabolic steroid abuse to psychological and physical side effects including increased aggression 'roid rage' premature death from cancers, heart diseases and liver failure.
There is a reason that Steroids are controlled substances in Canada.
Steroids are primarily used by doctors for medical uses and we all know if we have used them that they should be stopped after a short period of time. Prolonged use has serious side effects which abusers stubbornly ignore. Because they have body image issues. |
Interesting.
So I've gone from using steroids, to abusing steroids.
Ok, man, do tell - show me how I abused them. Do you know the drugs I used? The dosages? The duration?
If you know of THOUSANDS of studies linking Steroid use to Roid Rage, by all means, post them up. It must be easy to find if there are SO MANY cases, right?
How about deaths from Steroids? With the horrible side effects you've mentioned, surely there must be athletes (both pro and amateur) dropping dead all the time from the stuff.
You've accused me of abusing an illegal substance. You've also many numerous claims in this thread about the dangers of Steroids.
You've yet to back any of that up.
When asked, you simply go off about 9/11, Obama, or some other straw man.
Edit: Pretty funny how the thread title has changed. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe it should be called the 'roid rage' thread? For deniers that they have a drug problem.
And just to burst your little bubble there are a number of studies that track premature death rates for steroid users. And they were not hit by cars. More like cancer, liver, heart and psychiatric problems.
Keep denying...only hurting yourself. The rest of the world have their eyes open. At least people who do hard drugs like heroin or cocain or even most people who drink and smoke know that it does them SOME harm.
Living in a pink bubble must be fun. |
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