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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: People want to be obese |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Of course it can be centralized, but at the cost of the phenomenon of which you complain. You want a big corporation making your snacks? They are going to use food science to make you crave their snacks. You want to regulate them? They will capture your regulators with bribery (aka "lobbying"). The decentralization of the means of production is the best solution. |
This will be a problem for any kind of centralization, won't it? Snacks are just having an immediate and obvious effect on us. Finance, for example, is famous for making complex products that consumers (and sometimes even the suppliers themselves) don't understand.
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| If the choice is between being "condemned" to owning a small 떡집, or the drudgery of working on a factory line, which do you think they prefer? Unless you have a Star Trek-style replicator to share with us they are going to be doing some sort of work or another, and the alternative to 떡집 owner is unlikely to be especially glamorous. |
In your vision, there is this network of local ddeok makers across a country, all making the same thing, and all because we as a society can't coordinate this at a national level. Seems like such a waste of resources.
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| No, the trouble starts when large corporations, with profit margins in the millions of dollars, use a tiny fraction of said profits to hire food scientists with the goal of making their products habit forming. Small business snack shops generally do not have the profit margins to engage in such tomfoolery, which is why this has not historically been a problem. |
So it's a difference of degree?
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| Tell you what. You buy your Cheetos, I will buy my home-made 떡, and we will see who has to worry about the problem of which you complain and who does not. |
Written like someone more at home in nineteenth century Korea. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: People want to be obese |
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| Blockhead confidence wrote: |
| Finance, for example, is famous for making complex products that consumers (and sometimes even the suppliers themselves) don't understand. |
Yes, and the results have been harmful to society and its citizenry in the long term. You're making my case for me here: centralization often has negative consequences.
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Written like someone more at home in nineteenth century Korea. |
"Progress" for the sake of "progress" is silly. You are here complaining about the results of the system you are defending. I am not complaining about the results of the system I am defending. When newer is worse, why on Earth should I support it? |
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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:00 am Post subject: Re: People want to be obese |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Blockhead confidence wrote: |
| Finance, for example, is famous for making complex products that consumers (and sometimes even the suppliers themselves) don't understand. |
Yes, and the results have been harmful to society and its citizenry in the long term. You're making my case for me here: centralization often has negative consequences.
| Blockhead confidence wrote: |
Written like someone more at home in nineteenth century Korea. |
"Progress" for the sake of "progress" is silly. You are here complaining about the results of the system you are defending. I am not complaining about the results of the system I am defending. When newer is worse, why on Earth should I support it? |
We can't centralize; it's wasteful to localize. If only there was something we could do. |
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