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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:02 pm Post subject: 5yr old girl suspended for Hello Kitty terrorism |
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Yes, it seems the inmates run the asylum:
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat-174618051--abc-news-topstories.html
A 5-year-old girl was suspended from school earlier this week after she made what the school called a "terrorist threat."
Her weapon of choice? A small, Hello Kitty automatic bubble blower.
The kindergartner, who attends Mount Carmel Area Elementary School in Pennsylvania, caught administrators' attention after suggesting she and a classmate should shoot each other with bubbles.
"I think people know how harmless a bubble is. It doesn't hurt," said Robin Ficker, an attorney for the girl's family. According to Ficker, the girl, whose identity has not been released, didn't even have the bubble gun toy with her at school.
The kindergartner was ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation during her 10-day suspension, which was later reduced to two days. The evaluation deemed the girl normal and not a threat to others, Ficker said.
The girl's family is considering a lawsuit against the school to get the blemish - all because of bubbles - off their daughter's record.
"The mother has tried to get the girl in another school since this time, and they won't take the little girl because of this mark on her record," Ficker said.
The suspension comes one month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, which has created a heightened sense of alert at schools across the country.
The Mount Carmel Area School District told ABC News, "We are confident that much of the information supplied to the media may not be consistent with the facts� The Mount Carmel Area School District takes the well-being and safety of students and staff very seriously." |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a lot to say about this situation, the school, and the teacher who overreacted...but most of the words would be blocked by the filter. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Only in America:
i) is it acceptable for people to take firearms into a school
ii) suggestions be taken seriously that teachers and school staff be regularly armed,
iii) gun control is fought tooth and nail
iv) thousands of children are shot and killed EACH YEAR in the country
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v) 5-year-olds are suspended from school for the suggestion (not even the act) that they shoot bubbles from bubble blowers at each other.
Ban Bubbles - Bring Guns to School.
It is worse than the inmates running the asylum.
Their priorities are certainly skewed in the wrong direction.
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Only in America:
i) is it acceptable for people to take firearms into a school |
Wrong.
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| ii) suggestions be taken seriously that teachers and school staff be regularly armed |
Because it's a reasonable approach to take.
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| iii) gun control is fought tooth and nail |
With good reason.
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iv) thousands of children are shot and killed EACH YEAR in the country
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Thousands of children each year? What nonsense are you posting? You are so off base with this totally made-up "statistic" of yours it's ridiculous.
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| v) 5-year-olds are suspended from school for the suggestion (not even the act) that they shoot bubbles from bubble blowers at each other. |
This is only time this has happened, and yet you portray it as something generally "American". Stupid.
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As for the OP, yeah it is absolutely ridiculous. But not surprising, seeing as public schools are about the worst thing in the world. Don't want your child to be treated as a criminal/terrorist and subjected to dog training so they can learn how to be a dumbed-down slave? Try homeschooling! Seriously, I would never put a child into the public school system anymore than I would volunteer myself to go live in a prison. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Only in America:
i) is it acceptable for people to take firearms into a school |
If the children of world leaders can have armed security for their school, why can't mine?
You have something against cops and security guards, ttompatz?
Or do you think that training as a teacher and training as armed security are mutually exclusive? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
If the children of world leaders can have armed security for their school, why can't mine? |
They can, if you pay for it. Hell, Columbine had armed security. Worked out mighty fine for them, right? I wish you luck in coping with the natural consequences of your culture. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| comm wrote: |
If the children of world leaders can have armed security for their school, why can't mine? |
They can, if you pay for it. Hell, Columbine had armed security. Worked out mighty fine for them, right? I wish you luck in coping with the natural consequences of your culture. |
Well that's because the guards at Colubmine were outgunned. Therefore, all schools should have automatic weapons. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Hell, Columbine had armed security. Worked out mighty fine for them, right? |
If you weren't so ignorant and blinded by your agenda, then you'd know that the guard did save lives:
http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives
The "National School Safety Shield" program proposed by the National Rifle Association has been criticized by some who claim that an armed guard in a school is ineffective. They cite, as proof, the Columbine High School shooting of 1999, during which an armed guard was on campus. Their argument is that the armed guard failed to make a difference, as 12 students and one teacher were killed.
However, a timeline of the events assembled by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department and published by CNN proves just the opposite. The armed guard, Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner, was able to engage the killers, keeping them from shooting more victims, and he personally saved dozens of students.
Before looking at the facts of the case, first consider the line of reasoning used in the argument. Critics use a specific example (the Columbine tragedy) to make a general conclusion (armed school guards don't help). It's called inductive reasoning, and it is not a valid line of reasoning, because generalizations based on specific examples are easily disproved. For example, inductive reasoning would argue that because life-long smoker George Burns died of a heart attack at the age of 100 (the specific example), smoking is not hazardous to your health (the general conclusion).
In the case of the Columbine tragedy, the facts of the case disprove the conclusion that an armed guard did not help. At the time of the shooting, 11:19 a.m., Gardner was eating lunch in his car in the parking lot on the far side of the campus, away from where the shooting occurred. His parking space was near an area known as the "Smoker's Pit," and he used his lunch time to make sure students weren't in the area smoking during their lunch period.
The Columbine shooters, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, chose that time for the attack because they knew a number of students would be in and near the school cafeteria. They placed two bombs inside the cafeteria timed to explode, which they thought would force students to evacuate outside, where they were waiting. However, the bombs did not go off.
After the bombs failed to detonate, Harris and Klebold began shooting students eating lunch outside. Deputy Gardner was notified of the shooting by a custodian within three minutes of the first shot, and had to drive around the campus to enter the parking lot where the shooting took place. It took him two minutes to arrive. He confronted the shooters in the parking lot, about five minutes after the first shot was fired. Deputy Gardner exchanged fire with Harris and Klebold, which stopped the pair from firing at students. Gardner's actions allow teacher Patti Nielson and student Brian Anderson (who were both shot at and injured) to escape and survive.
Even though Deputy Gardner exchanged shots with the pair, he was over 60 yards away, and the two ducked into the school without being hit. Gardner called for backup on his radio before taking a position outside as more officers arrived. Gardner did not follow the pair, as he helped dozens of fleeing students coming from the building..
Later, Gardner again exchanged gunfire with the pair as they shot from windows into the parking lot. He then saved the lives of 15 students in the line of fire as they hid behind a car. One at a time, he escorted them from cover to safety. About 45 minutes after the shooting began, both Harris and Klebold killed themselves in the school library. All of their victims were killed within the first 15 minutes of the shooting.
The contention that Gardner's presence did not make a difference is not supported by the facts. He not only briefly stopped their assault on students, he made it possible for an untold number of students to escape the cafeteria and get to safety. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Hell, Columbine had armed security. Worked out mighty fine for them, right? |
If you weren't so ignorant and blinded by your agenda, |
Yes, my outrageous "no gunfights on campus agenda." How ridiculously partisan and unreasonable of me. Clearly I should worry less about the lives of children, and more about the feelings of American gun hobbyists.
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| ...then you'd know that the guard did save lives: |
Gun advocates regularly insist that school shootings occur due to an absence of firearms on school campuses. Columbine falsifies this propaganda in a demonstrable fashion. And your article? Pure counter factual speculation regarding number of lives saved. Here are the facts:
1) The presence of armed security at Columbine did not prevent the attack.
2) America's broader gun policy is directly responsible for the ease with which the firearms used in these shootings are obtained, as is evinced by comparisons with countries possessed of tighter gun control laws.
And you've got the balls to pat yourself on the back and push your agenda here just because even more people didn't die here? Ridiculous. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| And your article? Pure counter factual speculation regarding number of lives saved. |
Yes, you've proven once again that my "facts" (this time from an unbiased newspaper) will never trump your crazy. It's pointless arguing with crazy, so carry on. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| And this is where the modern American gun movement is: I, an individual who has admitted guns are useful tools citizens have a valid reason to own, and have said any district that wants to pay for armed security is welcome to do so, am declared crazy because I refuse to pretend gun rights do not come with a serious potential cost. You either are in complete agreement with Madoka, avatar of modern NRA culture, or you are crazy. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Hell, Columbine had armed security. Worked out mighty fine for them, right? |
If you weren't so ignorant and blinded by your agenda, |
Yes, my outrageous "no gunfights on campus agenda." How ridiculously partisan and unreasonable of me. Clearly I should worry less about the lives of children, and more about the feelings of American gun hobbyists.
| madoka wrote: |
| ...then you'd know that the guard did save lives: |
Gun advocates regularly insist that school shootings occur due to an absence of firearms on school campuses. Columbine falsifies this propaganda in a demonstrable fashion. And your article? Pure counter factual speculation regarding number of lives saved. Here are the facts:
1) The presence of armed security at Columbine did not prevent the attack.
2) America's broader gun policy is directly responsible for the ease with which the firearms used in these shootings are obtained, as is evinced by comparisons with countries possessed of tighter gun control laws.
And you've got the balls to pat yourself on the back and push your agenda here just because even more people didn't die here? Ridiculous. |
The only reason that more didn't die was because the killers decided to kill themselves and not keep killing. If they wanted to they could have killed many more, and this is despite a massive police presence outside the school and a swat team inside the school. If suicidal people want to kill lots of people, and they have the right tools, there is little that can be done to stop them quickly and efficiently in many cases. And in other news we have another angry kid with a semi-automatic rifle and a whole family killed. In America it's very easy to kill lots of people, and this is a good thing?
http://news.yahoo.com/fire-chief-chaplain-1-5-nm-shooting-victims-235547981.html |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
Yes, my outrageous "no gunfights on campus agenda." How ridiculously partisan and unreasonable of me.
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And you've got the balls to pat yourself on the back and push your agenda here just because even more people didn't die here? Ridiculous. |
So you're conceding that a trained, armed individual reduced the number of deaths... and you're still adamantly opposed to having trained, armed individuals in schools... kind of?
Leon:
The killers were unable to kill more because they were pinned down. They didn't want to be injured and taken alive. The guard clearly contributed to that before the police arrived. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
Yes, my outrageous "no gunfights on campus agenda." How ridiculously partisan and unreasonable of me.
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And you've got the balls to pat yourself on the back and push your agenda here just because even more people didn't die here? Ridiculous. |
So you're conceding that a trained, armed individual reduced the number of deaths... and you're still adamantly opposed to having trained, armed individuals in schools... kind of?
Leon:
The killers were unable to kill more because they were pinned down. They didn't want to be injured and taken alive. The guard clearly contributed to that before the police arrived. |
They left people alive in the building and the library, which they could have easily killed. They choose to stop killing. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
So you're conceding that a trained, armed individual reduced the number of deaths... |
No, I am conceding the hypothetical possibility of it. I have no idea whether a single life was saved due to such an individual, because I am not willing to declare counter factual situations to be absolute truths to further my case. It is factual that students died because of easy access to firearms. It is possible that other firearm wielders mitigated the total number of firearm-induced deaths.
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| and you're still adamantly opposed to having trained, armed individuals in schools... |
How is, "You can have it if you pay for it," adamant opposition? Fund a whole swat team out of your school district's budget if you like. Reap the benefits of local governance. How much less opposing can I be here? |
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