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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
alcohol, smoking, owning guns, boxing, driving, crossing streets...
Most of these have legal restrictions on them of some sort of another. |
But therein is the difference.... restriction vs prohibition.
Only fools and Puritans try to legislate morality.
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| more a matter of practically not morality. It is too difficult to police prostitution to protect innocent women and girls so the only acceptable societal response is an outright ban. Other activities are also hard to police but are not banned such as driving on roads or guns which have many fatalities because they have a much higher perceived public benefit than prostitution. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| more a matter of practically not morality. It is too difficult to police prostitution to protect innocent women and girls so the only acceptable societal response is an outright ban. Other activities are also hard to police but are not banned such as driving on roads or guns which have many fatalities because they have a much higher perceived public benefit than prostitution. |
Add alcohol to that list - cigarettes are proven to kill people over time and are still legal - this tells you that government protection of people is rather subjective.
Keep in mind though, if alcohol were to be banned, the underground bootlegging business would go in full gear, people would go to prison for selling/buy booze. Meanwhile, a lot of the booze sold would be poorly made/poisonous. On the other hand, legal booze increases the crime-rate via drunk driving, murder rate, other stupid/criminal things people do due to over-consumption.
In other words, there are two sides to every ban/legalization. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Alcohol and cigarettes are heavily restricted. To the satisfaction of the majority of society. Cigarettes have less social benefits but their negative impacts on innocent victims are more easily being regulated these days. Alcohol has much worse impacts on innocent victims but also has more positive perceived public benefits so the trade off is accepted using restrictions and allowing alcohols restricted use in society.
Prostitution has no such widely accepted positive benefits that moat people agree and the impacts on innocent young girls or abused women are too difficult to police. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Alcohol and cigarettes are heavily restricted. To the satisfaction of the majority of society. Cigarettes have less social benefits but their negative impacts on innocent victims are more easily being regulated these days. Alcohol has much worse impacts on innocent victims but also has more positive perceived public benefits so the trade off is accepted using restrictions and allowing alcohols restricted use in society.
Prostitution has no such widely accepted positive benefits that moat people agree and the impacts on innocent young girls or abused women are too difficult to police. |
If alcohol/cigarettes actually provide positive benefits - then so does prostitution (employment/stress release/exercise/etc).
Weed has actual health benefits and is banned regardless. I do not see how one can justify legalizing booze/cigarettes and banning weed/prostitution and not appear like a hypocrite in the end. |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Making prostitution illegal is clearly ineffective - judging by here and South East Asia. Countries like Singapore, the Netherlands and Germany have made the logical decision to decriminalize it - thus curbing the damage done from it.
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liveinkorea316
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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If alcohol/cigarettes actually provide positive benefits - then so does prostitution (employment/stress release/exercise/etc).
Weed has actual health benefits and is banned regardless. I do not see how one can justify legalizing booze/cigarettes and banning weed/prostitution and not appear like a hypocrite in the end. |
When considering broad societal "benefits" alcohol is seen to benefit many more people than weed or prostitution which benefit only a few (men predominantly in the case of prostitution).
Alcohol gets supported by society despite it's negative impacts. If prostitution and weed were enjoyed by more sectors of society then maybe they would be legal.
Smoking is not extremely positive but it's negatives are much easier to stop from affecting others these days. |
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maximmm
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
When considering broad societal "benefits" alcohol is seen to benefit many more people than weed or prostitution which benefit only a few (men predominantly in the case of prostitution).
Alcohol gets supported by society despite it's negative impacts. If prostitution and weed were enjoyed by more sectors of society then maybe they would be legal.
Smoking is not extremely positive but it's negatives are much easier to stop from affecting others these days. |
'smoking is not extremely positive' - really?^^
Alcohol - try going back to the prohibition days - and listen to the arguments made then. They were exactly the same as the arguments made about weed now.
Prostitution? Check the post that was made prior to yours. |
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asylum seeker
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Alcohol and cigarettes are heavily restricted. To the satisfaction of the majority of society. Cigarettes have less social benefits but their negative impacts on innocent victims are more easily being regulated these days. Alcohol has much worse impacts on innocent victims but also has more positive perceived public benefits so the trade off is accepted using restrictions and allowing alcohols restricted use in society.
Prostitution has no such widely accepted positive benefits that moat people agree and the impacts on innocent young girls or abused women are too difficult to police. |
You've got it completely backward- harm is actually much more difficult to police when it is illegal. In countries where prostitution is legal prostitutes can go to police when they are abused or threatened. As I mentioned before prostitutes in New Zealand are also covered by workplace safety regulations which includes use of contraceptives and safe practices. In countries where it is illegal sex workers have no legal recourse if they are harmed and police tend to abuse the power they have over them.
Also human trafficking or slavery or underage sex is a completely separate issue from paid sex between consensual adults and nobody is proposing that such acts should be legal. It seems like you're trying to deliberately obfuscate the issue here. |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread has gone crazy. Going back to the OP, Korean men like alcohol and they like ass, but it doesn't mean without booze they wouldn't want to get laid. Men everywhere like doing the nasty, and for whatever screwed up reasons in society, a lot of women make coin from it. No big deal. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Alcohol and cigarettes are heavily restricted. To the satisfaction of the majority of society. Cigarettes have less social benefits but their negative impacts on innocent victims are more easily being regulated these days. Alcohol has much worse impacts on innocent victims but also has more positive perceived public benefits so the trade off is accepted using restrictions and allowing alcohols restricted use in society.
Prostitution has no such widely accepted positive benefits that moat people agree and the impacts on innocent young girls or abused women are too difficult to police. |
You've got it completely backward- harm is actually much more difficult to police when it is illegal. In countries where prostitution is legal prostitutes can go to police when they are abused or threatened. As I mentioned before prostitutes in New Zealand are also covered by workplace safety regulations which includes use of contraceptives and safe practices. In countries where it is illegal sex workers have no legal recourse if they are harmed and police tend to abuse the power they have over them.
Also human trafficking or slavery or underage sex is a completely separate issue from paid sex between consensual adults and nobody is proposing that such acts should be legal. It seems like you're trying to deliberately obfuscate the issue here. |
human trafficking or slavery or underage sex have never been completely separate from paid sex between consensual adults. They are completely comingled in most places. What planet are you living on?
Prostitution is legal in some states in Australia and scores of Asian women are kidnapped, extorted, threatened and and kept as slaves in an industry that is legal. Your argument is out the window. |
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yesmynameisweird
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Perceived female sexual promiscuity naturally repulses the common person. There are probably evolutionarily sound reasons behind this, but like it or not, when presented with a loose woman, something seems off to men and women alike. |
Your ignorance is rank, Fox. I suggest you to get out a little more. Or at least read. Just read as much as you can. If possible go to some talks and workshops and seminars by people who think differntly from you
What is this, "The Good Life." And "living properly"? Next you are going to quote the Code of Hammurabi. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| yesmynameisweird wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
Perceived female sexual promiscuity naturally repulses the common person. There are probably evolutionarily sound reasons behind this, but like it or not, when presented with a loose woman, something seems off to men and women alike. |
Your ignorance is rank, Fox. I suggest you to get out a little more. Or at least read. Just read as much as you can. If possible go to some talks and workshops and seminars by people who think differntly from you. |
The last thing I need is someone so dogmatic that they responded to my post as you did telling me I need exposure to diversity of thought. You obviously do not do your own thinking, and you obviously are not willing to consider viewpoints other than those your educators instilled in you, so what profit did you possibly think could arise from addressing me? No doubt you did not consider that at all: your post is a temper tantrum, little more.
I have been clear in my indifference to how people like you live. If you are a woman, be as loose and promiscuous as you like, and if you are a man, by all means, engage with promiscuous women if you fancy. It means nothing to me. Spare me the petty bitching though, alright?
| yesmynameisweird wrote: |
| What is this, "The Good Life." And "living properly"? |
Nothing in which you would be interested. Enjoy your hedonism. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 5:30 am Post subject: |
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I'll vote for hedonism...
The government has no business in the business of the bedroom.
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
I'll vote for hedonism...
The government has no business in the business of the bedroom.
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Very true. However prostitution seldom occurs in a bedroom. |
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