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2014 Gyeongi-Do E-2 Seminar in Ansan. Same ol'?

 
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:07 pm    Post subject: 2014 Gyeongi-Do E-2 Seminar in Ansan. Same ol'? Reply with quote

I know, I know, but yesterday, my boss showed me the document and it said its an order, 명령, it said that.

He told me he would get on a blacklist or a penalty. I personally think they couldn't convince E2s they had to go, so this is another ploy to fill seats.

So, I like my boss, but I dont think this is a 명령. But I would be worried if the local hagwon whatever gave him trouble, he has been good to me. YMMV.

Ok, so, whats the deal? Can they really make trouble for our workplaces? Or us?
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do people go to these things? I've never once been asked to attend one of these and I'm going into my 3rd year in Korea.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been handed the same letter now

Quote:
"All foreign instructors who arived in Gyeonggi, Korea before August 31, 2014 are required to attend this seminar in accordance with Article 13 Subsection 3 of the law governing academy foundation, management and extracurricular work"


Its on a saturday Rolling Eyes
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go or not, it's up to you.

There is NO LEGAL REPERCUSSION for non attendance.

Your boss cannot legally fine you (it is a violation of labor law).

The hagwon association has no legal authority over you and cannot fine you any more than the local Chamber of Commerce can.

Immigration doesn't care and neither does the MOE or the POE.

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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Immigration doesn't care and neither does the MOE .


I'd like to believe that but the letter is itself from the MOE.

Quote:
There is NO LEGAL REPERCUSSION


Korea bends laws whenever they feel like it.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you teachers have against getting an education?

If your boss gives you an order to do something related to your job and you refuse do do it, he/she is totally within his/her rights to fire you.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
What do you teachers have against getting an education?

If your boss gives you an order to do something related to your job and you refuse do do it, he/she is totally within his/her rights to fire you.


Education = yes, indoctrination = no.

These are a farce.
They always have been a farce.
There is no education in them at all (well, perhaps there is... you will learn that you need an E2 to be a teacher).

If it is a job requirement then you should also expect to be paid for your time and not be out of pocket for attendance and transportation fees as well as "donating" your weekend to your employer.

And No, your boss is NOT within his/her rights to terminate you over this.
You are protected under labor law.

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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
What do you teachers have against getting an education?

If your boss gives you an order to do something related to your job and you refuse do do it, he/she is totally within his/her rights to fire you.


Education = yes, indoctrination = no.

These are a farce.
They always have been a farce.
There is no education in them at all (well, perhaps there is... you will learn that you need an E2 to be a teacher).

If it is a job requirement then you should also expect to be paid for your time and not be out of pocket for attendance and transportation fees as well as "donating" your weekend to your employer.

And No, your boss is NOT within his/her rights to terminate you over this.
You are protected under labor law.

.


Above^^^^

I will not attend one of these events. Nor, have I or will I have a teacher attend one of these events.
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Chimie



Joined: 05 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention this one says it requires 10,000 won.

It's a total scam. Don't go. Call the

https://www.epik.go.kr/

http://gepik-tek.weebly.com/

Neither the GEPIK or EPIK websites mention anything about these.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:
What do you teachers have against getting an education?

If your boss gives you an order to do something related to your job and you refuse do do it, he/she is totally within his/her rights to fire you.


Education = yes, indoctrination = no.

These are a farce.
They always have been a farce.
There is no education in them at all (well, perhaps there is... you will learn that you need an E2 to be a teacher).

If it is a job requirement then you should also expect to be paid for your time and not be out of pocket for attendance and transportation fees as well as "donating" your weekend to your employer.

And No, your boss is NOT within his/her rights to terminate you over this.
You are protected under labor law.

.


I think it is unwise to advise newbies to defy their Korean employer's instructions. It's not only about labor law. Their defiance would not be viewed well and could contribute to a variety of negetive consequences especially if the employee and employer are already on poor terms.

I agree that the employer legally can't use this as an excuse to fire somebody. But they can certainly find other reasons, and the teacher's refusal to do what they are told could be a contributing factor in termination.

A person might not get fired, but if you say no to the boss I wouldn't go into the office looking for a favor.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chimie wrote:
Not to mention this one says it requires 10,000 won.

It's a total scam. Don't go.


Its an MOE seminar.

Which is why I'm dismayed that they demand employees of private hakwons have to attend. These are not regulated by or under the influence of the MOE.

If there were any vital information that all instructors in korea needed to know surely they could just send a letter of information?
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Sesame



Joined: 16 Mar 2014

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bro this is korea, do you honestly take your job seriously? i wouldn't go, im not wasting a Saturday for that crap.

Fire me? Ok screw it I'll find something else.

Get kicked out? Oh well, go to China or go back home and be forced to get a real job.

Win all around.
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Stu_miller



Joined: 23 Apr 2014

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting paid to go, so I'm looking at it as a profitable trip to somewhere I haven't been before
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