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Jarome_Turner



Joined: 10 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Finding work with an MBA Reply with quote

What kind of work is available to an MBA grad? Do most uni's prefer an MA or is any Master's sufficient? I do have 4+ years experience teaching in Korea (elementary/hagwon/some uni camps), but by the time I actually complete the MBA program, I will have been out of Korea for about 8 years.

What's the current climate like at uni's and how do you see it going in the future?
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if you could teach business? Probably not, since I assume you have no serious corporate management experience if you're looking for a uni job in Korea.

Out of curiosity, why are you looking for work in Korea? You'll probably just wind up being an ESL teacher in a university working for 2 to 3 mill per month.

What was the point in doing the MBA?


You should have done just a cheap on-line/distance ed MA in TESOL/Linguistics if you wanted to work at a uniwon.

I'd maybe forget universities and try for corporate gigs teaching ESL to Korean business men.

The MBA might count for something more in that context.
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dongjak



Joined: 30 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to the chronicle of higher education website and higher ed jobs. Also individual university websites. LOADS of universities want MBA holders to teach business classes. If you have experience in the business world that is a major plus. Inha offers 9 hours a week for over 3 million to MBA holders. You shouldn't have a problem finding a university job if that is what you are interested in. I think that a lot of universities are moving in the direction of more content based courses in English rather than just straight English classes, I think an MBA or a Law degree can get you an above average job position in Korea.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dongjak wrote:
LOADS of universities want MBA holders to teach business classes. .



Really?

I know higher education in Korea often has a real "Alice in Wonderland" quality to it, but it would be even more absurd then the usual absurd to allow someone who has never worked in business to teach MBA content.

If I was a student and I signed up for an expensive MBA, I'd be pretty upset if the instructor's only experience was working as English instructor.

You'd generally expect a guy who has years of solid upper level management experience in his field.

And, no, head ESL teacher at Toss English or Kim's university doesn't count.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dongjak wrote:
LOADS of universities want MBA holders to teach business classes. .



Really?

I know higher education in Korea often has a real "Alice in Wonderland" quality to it, but it would be even more absurd then the usual absurd to allow someone who has never worked in business to teach MBA content.

If I was a student and I signed up for an expensive MBA, I'd be pretty upset if the instructor's only experience was working as English instructor.

You'd generally expect a guy who has years of solid upper level management experience in his field.

And, no, head ESL teacher at Toss English or Kim's university doesn't count.


I don't see why this would be a problem if they were being taught business English not business.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Business English, sure, not a problem.

Business content with no experience... in anywhere other than Korea, that might be a problem.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
dongjak wrote:
LOADS of universities want MBA holders to teach business classes. .



Really?

I know higher education in Korea often has a real "Alice in Wonderland" quality to it, but it would be even more absurd then the usual absurd to allow someone who has never worked in business to teach MBA content.

If I was a student and I signed up for an expensive MBA, I'd be pretty upset if the instructor's only experience was working as English instructor.

You'd generally expect a guy who has years of solid upper level management experience in his field.

And, no, head ESL teacher at Toss English or Kim's university doesn't count.


Actually, MBAs are often used to teach undergrad courses in the "international" business programs at a number of universities.
There are lots of jobs all over Asia teaching business/business related classes if you have an MBA.

If you have an MBA and executive experience then write your own ticket and working a uni job as a guest lecturer (E1) wouldn't be high on my list.

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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:

Actually, MBAs are often used to teach undergrad courses in the "international" business programs at a number of universities.
There are lots of jobs all over Asia teaching business/business related classes if you have an MBA.



And that's the problem. People without experience should not be teaching in applied fields like business.

It's like if you went to dental school and the teacher never worked as a real dentist.

But in Wild West world of higher education in Korea, I guess anything goes.

Still, I hope the OP can get a relevant job with his MBA.

It's always sad when you see MBAs and people with real professional degrees working as English instructors at a university.

On the one hand you think there is something wrong them and they just couldn't "fit in" back home in a work place environment, which is not uncommon.

But on the other hand you realize the job market back home isn't that great either.
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dongjak



Joined: 30 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddycakes wrote:
dongjak wrote:
LOADS of universities want MBA holders to teach business classes. .



Really?

I know higher education in Korea often has a real "Alice in Wonderland" quality to it, but it would be even more absurd then the usual absurd to allow someone who has never worked in business to teach MBA content.

If I was a student and I signed up for an expensive MBA, I'd be pretty upset if the instructor's only experience was working as English instructor.

You'd generally expect a guy who has years of solid upper level management experience in his field.

And, no, head ESL teacher at Toss English or Kim's university doesn't count.


I never said they wanted them to teach MBA courses. Undergraduate business courses and business English classes. There are two American Lawyers at my university and they teach law courses to undergraduates.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I gather, under graduate business courses and MBA course content are extremely similar.

Regardless, anyone teaching an 'applied' subject should have real-world experience to back it up... at least in my view.

I'd be interested to know how much actual legal experience the lawyers teaching in Korea have...

Are these guys with real legal backgrounds and real experience? Or are these guys fresh out of law school who found they couldn't get jobs because new lawyers are a dime a dozen back in the States?


Perhaps, as a last resort, 'Wall Street Institute' will take our MBA friend.
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Jarome_Turner



Joined: 10 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for info, lots to consider. It's good to know that having an MBA and related work experience would make it possible to teach in a related field to university students.

Paddycakes, your assumptions (projections, perhaps?) are amusing to say the least.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most important decision you have to make is what you want to teach?

Are you saying, I used to teach in Korea I got an MBA and now I'm back in South Korea with no industry experience. Or are you saying, I've got 5 years of professional experience and an MBA is a specific subject. I'm now in South Korea and looking to teach in my specific field.

If you do have an MBA and experience you can get your foot in the door, but they pay is not much higher than university English teachers. But, if you are a economics, finance, accounting professor and the students like you, you can network well providing you can develop some econometric models and are familiar with empirical research and regression models.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarome_Turner wrote:
Thanks for info, lots to consider. It's good to know that having an MBA and related work experience would make it possible to teach in a related field to university students.

Paddycakes, your assumptions (projections, perhaps?) are amusing to say the least.



Yeah, I know, the idea that people who teach 'applied' subjects should have real industry experience is pretty amusing.

If you have extensive real-world business/corporate experience, great, but I hope the university is going to pay you $100,000 plus dollars per year, because that's what you're worth, and that's maybe on the low end.

But if you're willing to work for 2 to 3 million per month -standard ESL teacher in a Uni salary- it raises questions why someone with a marketable professional degree and experience would be willing to work for so little.
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PeterDragon



Joined: 15 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Jarome: I'm the inverse of you. I have an MA TESOL, but taught MBA for two years in the states. (Special international MBA with Taiwanese students.)

The jobs you could most easily get with an MBA in Korea would be adult hagwon jobs. However, if you scour the job boards diligently and regularly, you'll find executive training jobs in real office environments and yes, universities that want someone with a business degree and teaching experience. Apply for those jobs when they pop up, and you've got a decent shot at landing a nice gig... eventually. It'll be more like a real job hunt than a "spirited away to Korea" fast track.

Extra hint: A lot of the specialist jobs you're hoping for are easier to get if you're already in Korea. You may want to consider doing a year at YBM or (shudder) Pagoda while you look for something better.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a cool job in Russia:

http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?read=28855


Not sure what it pays, but probably a little bit higher than your typical English instructor.

I'd take Russia over Korea. Russian women are beautiful, until they turn 26 then they tend to go downhill pretty quick.


However, I still don't get why someone with a marketable "applied" degree and experience wants to work in jobs that generally offer next to no security or benefits and generally pay peanuts.

The above poster mentioned working in an adult hogwan... Fair enough, but what was the point in doing the MBA?

I thought you do an MBA to be the next Gordon Gekko Wink
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