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Titus
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radcon
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| Harvey Milk was not killed because he was gay or for his gay rights activism. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Harvey Milk was not killed because he was gay or for his gay rights activism. |
What's your point? My contention is that he is probably significant to be included in California history classes, not national classes, not that he was a gay rights martyr. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Harvey Milk was not killed because he was gay or for his gay rights activism. |
What's your point? My contention is that he is probably significant to be included in California history classes, not national classes, not that he was a gay rights martyr. |
I'm not disagreeing with you. The gay community has been trying to say for years that he was killed because of his views which is not true. So his death shouldn't be taught in that way within these gay rights lesson plans. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Toxins affect brain development
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Meanwhile, researchers like David Bellinger, who calculated IQ losses, are highlighting the financial cost to society of widespread cognitive decline. Economist Elise Gould has calculated that a loss of one IQ point corresponds to a loss of $17,815 in lifetime earnings. Based on that figure, she estimates that for the population that was six years old or younger in 2006, lead exposure will result in a total income loss of between $165 and $233 billion. The combined current levels of pesticides, mercury, and lead cause IQ losses amounting to around $120 billion annually—or about three percent of the annual budget of the U.S. government.
Low-income families are hit the hardest. No parent can avoid these toxins—they’re in our couches and in our air. They can’t be sweated out through hot yoga classes or cleansed with a juice fast. But to whatever extent these things can be avoided without better regulations, it costs money. Low-income parents might not have access to organic produce or be able to guarantee their children a low-lead household. When it comes to brain development, this puts low-income kids at even greater disadvantages—in their education, in their earnings, in their lifelong health and well-being. |
Various chemicals are devastating our children's brain development, although the environment may be the least toxic since the dawn of industrialization. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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More dumbing down of education in the name of diversity.
Activists at U-M trying to force engineering students to study race and ethnicity
To become a good engineer of business major, a student must first study the all-important subjects of race and ethnicity — at least according to student government leaders at the University of Michigan, who are working to extend the liberal arts college’s race requirements to all colleges of the university.
A proposal, drafted by members of the Central Student Government, aims to reform the requirement that all students in the College of Literature, Science and the Arts study race and ethnicity before graduation. Moving forward, all students–even those in the Colleges of Engineering and Business — would be forced to take a class with a racial component, if the proposal were approved by faculty
BSU activist Shayla Scales said the proposal was all about creating more diversity. "I truly believe innovation lies in the crevices of diversity,” she said in a statement. "Making sure that we incorporate diversity in all of our thinking and the way we see the world will only lead to innovation."
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/14/activists-at-u-m-trying-to-force-engineering-students-to-study-race-and-ethnicity/#ixzz2wNm2gWJO |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Blacks and hispanics failed basic written tests for the NYFD at far higher rates than whites. Therefore, the tests MUST be racist.
Settlement reached in FDNY discrimination suit
New York City is set to pay up to $98 million in back pay and benefits to settle a Bloomberg-era lawsuit alleging the FDNY's entrance exams for firefighters discriminated against minority applicants.
The proposed settlement would make about 1,500 black firefighters who took the exams in 1999 and 2002 eligible for compensation.
It would create an FDNY chief diversity officer and require the city to try its best to ensure that the proportion of minority test-takers exceeds the city's job-eligible racial makeup to address past discrimination
http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/settlement-reached-in-fdny-discrimination-suit-1.7425123 |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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Re: the firefighters:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/nyregion/24firefighters.html?emc=eta1&_r=1&
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On the surface, the tests — versions of which remained in use until 2007, according to the court — do not appear racially biased. Each exam consists of 85 multiple-choice questions about firefighting practices: the order in which a firefighter should don gear in an alarm; what the rear of a building would look like, based on its facade; the right situations in which to say “mayday” rather than “urgent” over the walkie-talkie.
But a closer look shows that the exams also required applicants to read and understand long passages, often containing technical terms, and then answer questions about them. One question, for instance, follows a 250-word description of the use and maintenance of portable power saws and asks which type of blade must be put out of service. |
In America it is racist to expect blacks and Latins to "read and understand long passages". This is worth 100 million dollars.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/de-blasios-100-million-handout-in.html |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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It would create an FDNY chief diversity officer and require the city to try its best to ensure that the proportion of minority test-takers exceeds the city's job-eligible racial makeup to address past discrimination[/i]
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Not meet, but exceed? Am I misreading this, or does the settlement literally mandate the permanent over-representation of minorities in New York firefighting? Expecting Blacks to read long texts is racist, but hiring less qualified Blacks and Latinos over more qualified Whites as a matter of policy is "equality?" |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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It would create an FDNY chief diversity officer and require the city to try its best to ensure that the proportion of minority test-takers exceeds the city's job-eligible racial makeup to address past discrimination[/i]
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Not meet, but exceed? Am I misreading this, or does the settlement literally mandate the permanent over-representation of minorities in New York firefighting? Expecting Blacks to read long texts is racist, but hiring less qualified Blacks and Latinos over more qualified Whites as a matter of policy is "equality?" |
Expecting Blacks to read long texts is only discriminatory if both of the following conditions are true: (1) it has a significant disparate impact on employment, and (2) reading long texts is not a necessary skill for the kind of employment offered.
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At issue in the New York case, legal experts said, was not so much whether the exams themselves were biased. Rather, the law requires that if a test has the effect of disproportionately excluding minorities, then the skills it measures must be necessary to the job — a standard that the judge, Nicholas G. Garaufis, found the city did not meet.
Ruling in a lawsuit brought by the Justice Department in 2007, Judge Garaufis wrote that in creating the test, the city convened a panel of firefighters who identified 21 “task clusters” to be tested, like evaluating a fire scene or searching for victims, and 18 “abilities,” like memorization, deductive reasoning and spatial orientation.
The panel determined that only half of the abilities could be tested in a multiple choice format, the judge wrote, and two abilities that the panel ranked as most important — oral comprehension and oral expression — were omitted because it was not feasible to conduct interviews with thousands of applicants.
Later, in depositions, panel members showed “a considerable degree of confusion about the process and about the definitions of abilities the members were supposed to evaluate,” the judge wrote. One member said he “probably didn’t know” what inductive reasoning meant when he rated its importance to the job.
Saying that the city had demonstrated “only a minimal relationship between the content of its examinations and the content of the job of firefighter,” Judge Garaufis wrote: “These serious failings culminated in the city’s decision to use the problem-riddled examinations to impermissibly fail and arbitrarily rank firefighter candidates.” |
Notice how the case turned so heavily on facts. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| He's probably not entirely wrong that some of the things on the test had only a "minimal relationship" with the job of firefighting, but given the fact that it is such a desired job, there has to be some process of choosing candidates, and acquirable knowledge is a more just standard than racial quotas. Increased knowledge might make someone a better firefighter, while having a certain skin tone will not. Then again, the law in question was created specifically to engineer the result it got, so I guess score one for the honest application of unjust laws. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| He's probably not entirely wrong that some of the things on the test had only a "minimal relationship" with the job of firefighting, but given the fact that it is such a desired job, there has to be some process of choosing candidates, and acquirable knowledge is a more just standard than racial quotas. Increased knowledge might make someone a better firefighter, while having a certain skin tone will not. Then again, the law in question was created specifically to engineer the result it got, so I guess score one for the honest application of unjust laws. |
https://ccrjustice.org/ourcases/current-cases/united-states-america-v.-city-new-york-(previously-vulcan-society-v.-city-new
So you believe Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, and the Equal Protection Clause from the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, are unjust:
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| The lawsuit charges the FDNY with discriminatory hiring practices that violate Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the United States and New York State constitutions, and New York State Human Rights Law. |
Surprising. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I see that the attorneys were only awarded less than 4% of the class action, $3.7 million out of about $102 million in settlement. That is a great result. That is enough to pay the attorneys but leaves the bulk of the settlement for the claimants. That is about $65,000 per affected individual. More class actions settlements should be structured like this. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| (1) it has a significant disparate impact on employment, |
The "disparate impact" concept is completely bonkers. There exists meaningful and permanent differences in intellectual ability between different genetic clusters (races). The assumption of human equality is every bit as stupid as creationism.
Nick Land put it best:
http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/
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| To call the belief in substantial human equality a superstition is to insult superstition. It might be unwarranted to believe in leprechauns, but at least the person who holds to such a belief isn’t watching them not exist, for every waking hour of the day. Human inequality, in contrast, and in all of its abundant multiplicity, is constantly on display, as people exhibit their variations in gender, ethnicity, physical attractiveness, size and shape, strength, health, agility, charm, humor, wit, industriousness, and sociability, among countless other features, traits, abilities, and aspects of their personality, some immediately and conspicuously, some only slowly, over time. To absorb even the slightest fraction of all this and to conclude, in the only way possible, that it is either nothing at all, or a ‘social construct’ and index of oppression, is sheer Gnostic delirium: a commitment beyond all evidence to the existence of a true and good world veiled by appearances. People are not equal, they do not develop equally, their goals and achievements are not equal, and nothing can make them equal. Substantial equality has no relation to reality, except as its systematic negation. Violence on a genocidal scale is required to even approximate to a practical egalitarian program, and if anything less ambitious is attempted, people get around it (some more competently than others). |
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| (2) reading long texts is not a necessary skill for the kind of employment offered. |
There are thousands of different buildings in NYC. Different structures, materials, ages, heights. The NYFD (and Austin, Boston, Kansas CIty) can not boil firefighting down to flash cards so that more blacks get the job. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Have any studies been conducted into how much it costs to uphold and promote 'diversity'? I'm not talking about the unquantifiable costs like the weakening of social capital and community bonds (Robert Puttnam), but the actual financial costs in terms of phony discrimination lawsuits, diversity bureaucracies, and educational diversity initiatives. It must run to billions. |
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