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young_clinton
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Well, animals DO evolve differently, and there ARE some differences in the way the sapien races evolved (having been separated for tens of thousands of years). I haven't studied the correlation with violent crime, but I hardly think it is laughable that differences may exist.
It's more that it is uncomfortable for some people to consider, because they come from a society that says "everyone is equal", which they interpret as meaning the same. |
Last I heard from peer reviewed genetic analysis. there is a 12000 year separation between Africa and Europe (very small, if you are implying that blacks are genetically inferior), a 50,000 year separation between the European migratory groups, the Northern far east migratory groups, and the Southeastern Asian migratory groups. The general consensus among biologists has always been that physical differences between human groups is due to sexual selection, skin color being the only difference. The difference between behavior and ability is due to culture and education. In my opinion there is no such thing as race, the differences between individuals in each "racial group" are most likely greater than the differences between the "racial groups"
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| It makes many Americans uncomfortable to recognize that their country was built on genocide (of natives) |
The Native Americans were decimated by small pox and measles. In fact one of the reasons Cortez was able to threaten the Aztecs was because the warriors were already succumbing to one or the other. As far as the killing goes both Natives and Europeans did their share of killing. There is no proof that Americans used small pox or measles as a type of biological warfare. In fact Americans tried to stop the spread of the disease during most outbreaks. That can also be assessed from peer reviewed academic articles.
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| and conquest (over natives and Mexicans) and forced labor and chattel slavery (of blacks). I guess it is because they come from a society that says "everyone is equal." |
Have you ever asked any Hispanics if they wished that California, New Mexico, Arizona etc. was still a part of Mexico? |
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Plain Meaning
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If anything, most are probably more socially conservative and traditional than the average American.
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Their life outcomes do not reflect a group that is conservative (restrained). Though there is more going on, as Charles Murray explains in Coming Apart. More intelligent people live generally traditionalist lives (stay at home mothers, stable marriages, low alcohol consumption/drugs, etc). Less intelligent people do *whatever* unless there is a very very strong cultural pull in one direction. The pull in America is towards the underclass, so that is where they're headed. A big chunk of whites too.
I really recommend Coming Apart.
http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Apart-State-America-1960-2010/dp/030745343X
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/05/are-hispanics-that-socially-conservative/#.U76UIvldV7E
In California and Texas and Florida they vote liberal. Less older Cubans who are mad at Castro.
The biggest disruption, and this is why the Dems have left the southern border basically open, is in the inevitability of a Dem Texas federally. This will mean the USA will be a one party state, with all decisions being made within the one party. As it is in California. This is so obvious that even The Simpsons made fun of it in the second or third last episode of the most recent season. This is the desired outcome. A 1 party state. |
I don't think you can call the U.S. a one-party state; not when Democrats took over Congress in 2006 under a Republican President, not when Republicans took over the House in 2010 under a Democratic President, not when Republicans took over Congress in 2014 under a Democratic President.
If Charles Murray and others don't want to deal with the demographic realities of the future, that America will be a truly multi-ethnic non-majority state, then they're at fault for any future one-party state. But after yesterday, I really think shouting "one-party state" becomes hyperbole. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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Titus
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
If Charles Murray and others don't want to deal with the demographic realities of the future, that America will be a truly multi-ethnic non-majority state, then they're at fault for any future one-party state. But after yesterday, I really think shouting "one-party state" becomes hyperbole. |
I strongly dislike having to explain the concept of trends over and over. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
| Plain Meaning wrote: |
If Charles Murray and others don't want to deal with the demographic realities of the future, that America will be a truly multi-ethnic non-majority state, then they're at fault for any future one-party state. But after yesterday, I really think shouting "one-party state" becomes hyperbole. |
I strongly dislike having to explain the concept of trends over and over. |
The trend is that in this particular system (first past the post, single member districts, etc.) there will almost always be two political parties. Even if what you suspect happens, the parties themselves will evolve and change, and the demands from the more diverse group will change. For example, if currently the hispanic vote is united against the Republicans, and the republicans become too weak to thrive, than the hispanics would lose the common enemy and be more likely to diverge on different issues, creating a possible split in the democratic party, or some such. |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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If Charles Murray and others don't want to deal with the demographic realities of the future, that America will be a truly multi-ethnic non-majority state, then they're at fault for any future one-party state. But after yesterday, I really think shouting "one-party state" becomes hyperbole. |
I strongly dislike having to explain the concept of trends over and over. |
The trend is that in this particular system (first past the post, single member districts, etc.) there will almost always be two political parties. Even if what you suspect happens, the parties themselves will evolve and change, and the demands from the more diverse group will change. For example, if currently the hispanic vote is united against the Republicans, and the republicans become too weak to thrive, than the hispanics would lose the common enemy and be more likely to diverge on different issues, creating a possible split in the democratic party, or some such. |
When Texas flips, which will take some time (couple decades) then the two party system for POTUS will be dead. There will be two parties. There are two parties in California. One of them doesn't matter.
But you're right. The Dems have a coalition of the margins. Blacks, hispanics, white feminists and liberals. To maintain this coalition the Dems need to focus tension out of the margins towards the core. This is why they need T.Martin, Ferguson, etc. It unites the coalition against an enemy.
The outcome for whites will be political solidarity manifested in voting blindly for Republicans. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Titus wrote: |
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If Charles Murray and others don't want to deal with the demographic realities of the future, that America will be a truly multi-ethnic non-majority state, then they're at fault for any future one-party state. But after yesterday, I really think shouting "one-party state" becomes hyperbole. |
I strongly dislike having to explain the concept of trends over and over. |
What is a trend and what is a narrative?
Here's the trend: Charles Murray and others continue to refuse to engage with minorities as America becomes independently and inevitably a multi-ethnic state.
Here's the narrative: Democrats are manufacturing a one-party state.
Note that there's more than one trend in the Republican Party, just as the Democratic Party is too big and dynamic to fashion a single, simple narrative on top of it. Right now, there is an emerging trend of engagement in the Republican Party, centered on prison reform.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/how-republicans-stopped-being-tough-on-crime-20141001
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At a time when people complain about historic levels of gridlock, there is more bipartisan support for reforming the criminal-justice system than there has been in the past four decades.
This newfound Republican support isn't just the product of tokenism. Among the members of Congress who have cosponsored legislation on this issue are Sens. Rand Paul, John Cornyn, Chuck Grassley, Mike Lee, Rob Portman, and Orrin Hatch, along with Reps. Raul Labrador, Paul Ryan, and Jason Chaffetz. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/katrina-vanden-heuvel-the-moral-and-political-case-for-criminal-justice-reform/2014/11/17/3eedc60c-6e7a-11e4-8808-afaa1e3a33ef_story.html
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Earlier this year, Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) teamed up to introduce the REDEEM Act, a comprehensive bill that aims to keep children out of the adult criminal justice system and incentivizes states to seal the records of nonviolent offenders. Meanwhile, Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Mike Lee’s (R-Utah) Smarter Sentencing Act, which would reduce certain mandatory minimum sentences and allow judges more discretion in nonviolent drug cases, attracted 30 cosponsors. Congressional aides expect Paul to continue pressing the issue in the next Congress, which may create additional momentum for reform as he moves toward an expected presidential run.
Indeed, across the country, public support for criminal justice reform is becoming increasingly clear. Midterm voters in Alaska, Oregon and Washington, D.C., approved the legalization of marijuana, which will help protect thousands — particularly minorities, who are disproportionately arrested for simple possession. New York police recently announced that they will stop making arrests for simple marijuana possession. And California voters overwhelmingly passed a ballot initiative, Proposition 47, that reclassified a number of nonviolent and drug-related felonies as misdemeanors and is expected to affect about 40,000 offenders a year. The campaign for Proposition 47 brought together a diverse collection of supporters, including rap icon Jay Z, Newt Gingrich, the American Civil Liberties Union and conservative billionaire B. Wayne Hughes. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Here's the trend: Charles Murray and others continue to refuse to engage with minorities as America becomes independently and inevitably a multi-ethnic state.
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What does this even mean? If you are suggesting that Republicans are "refusing to engage" with non-whites then your argument is undermined by you in your own post when you cite Republicans working to engage minorities by keeping them out of prison.
However, it will not work. With the exception of Asians, who broke 50-50 in the most recent election, the Dems will for the foreseeable future be the party of the fringe united against the core.
It does not matter as D and R are merely a facade, presenting an illusion of choice to the public by the regime. The continuity between Clinton-Bush-Obama is striking.
A unified nation presents a threat to the regime. America's biggest weakness is race so that is the button they push (through events like T.Martin, etc and mass immigration). It is not possible to have a multi-ethnic state that is sufficiently cohesive to challenge the ruling class. |
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Titus
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Last I heard from peer reviewed genetic analysis. there is a 12000 year separation between Africa and Europe (very small, if you are implying that blacks are genetically inferior), a 50,000 year separation between the European migratory groups, the Northern far east migratory groups, and the Southeastern Asian migratory groups. The general consensus among biologists has always been that physical differences between human groups is due to sexual selection, skin color being the only difference. The difference between behavior and ability is due to culture and education. In my opinion there is no such thing as race, the differences between individuals in each "racial group" are most likely greater than the differences between the "racial groups" |
You can not reference "peer reviewed genetic analysis" and then state that "The general consensus among biologists has always been that physical differences between human groups is due to sexual selection, skin color being the only difference".
There are measurable differences between genetic clusters that are independent of environment.
For example, the statement that skin color is the only difference is in-itself incorrect as skin regulates certain hormones. In vertebrate species darker pigmentation is correlated with more aggressive behavior. Even if race was only 'skin-deep' that is itself sufficient to create differences in behavior.
http://www.ferris.edu/isar/bios/rushton/rushton-last-article.pdf
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Ducrest et al. (2008) reviewed data on over 40 wild vertebrate
species showing that within each species, darker pigmented individuals
averaged higher levels of aggression and sexual activity
than lighter pigmented individuals, with a larger body mass, more
resistance to stress, and greater physical activity when grooming.
The relationship between coloring and behavioral dominance
was robust across three species of mammal (African lion, soay
sheep, and white-tailed deer), four species of fish (mosquito fish,
guppy, green swordtail, and Arctic charr), four species of reptile
(asp viper, adder, fence lizard, and spiny lizard), one amphibian
species (spadefoot toad) and 36 species of bird. |
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bigverne
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Scientists chipping away at the blank-slate theory.
Your genes may influence how sensitive you are to emotional information, according to new research by a UBC neuroscientist. The study, recently published in The Journal of Neuroscience, found that carriers of a certain genetic variation perceived positive and negative images more vividly, and had heightened activity in certain brain regions.
"People really do see the world differently," says lead author Rebecca Todd, a professor in UBC's Department of Psychology. "For people with this gene variation, the emotionally relevant things in the world stand out much more."
The gene in question is ADRA2b, which influences the neurotransmitter norepinephrine. Previous research by Todd found that carriers of a deletion variant of this gene showed greater attention to negative words. Her latest research is the first to use brain imaging to find out how the gene affects how vividly people perceive the world around them, and the results were startling, even to Todd.
Carriers of the gene variation showed significantly more activity in a region of the brain responsible for regulating emotions and evaluating both pleasure and threat. Todd believes this may help explain why some people are more susceptible to PTSD and intrusive memories following trauma.
The ADRA2b deletion variant appears in varying degrees across different ethnicities. Although roughly 50 per cent of the Caucasian population studied by these researchers in Canada carry the genetic variation, it has been found to be prevalent in other ethnicities. For example, one study found that just 10 per cent of Rwandans carried the ADRA2b gene variant.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150507135919.htm |
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jazzmaster
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What interests me is that many people will use science to beat down religions (specifically Christianity, Islam seems to attract less criticism) and are applauded as enlightened people, but when someone uses science to highlight a difference between races they are often labelled as a racist or bigot.
The more I look into modern Western society's way of thinking, the more I see double standards and hypocrisy. |
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Swartz
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What interests me is that many people will use science to beat down religions (specifically Christianity, Islam seems to attract less criticism) and are applauded as enlightened people, but when someone uses science to highlight a difference between races they are often labelled as a racist or bigot.
The more I look into modern Western society's way of thinking, the more I see double standards and hypocrisy. |
What you've described/noticed is called "Cultural Marxism." The next questions you (all) should ask (yourselves--and the internet) are why Christianity has been attacked so strongly for the last 50 years or so, why every historically European nation is being flooded with 3rd world immigrants, why 'white privilege' alongside 'tolerance' is being preached via guilt-trip by the media, and why our homelands now resemble highly centralized communist/socialist states. Cui bono? Look it up, explore what really happened in the USSR and why neocons are now foaming at the mouth over taking Russia out; the information is widely available outside of MSM sources which are designed to fool you, and this slow destruction will have serious consequences/ramifications. However, I remain positive overall; as alarming as the modern world is (insofar as the idea has been imposed upon us), we will be witnessing the collapse of the central banking debt system in the coming years and that is the main source of this centralized, culture-shaping power that is ushering in the West's downfall. There's hope, but we need a reset, and maybe a few hangings. (Grab some popcorn and give zerohedge a gander for the best details of these ongoings; there are several profound intellectual movements across the non-MSM streams at the moment, and I'd advise those on Dave's to look into some of them ... and happy 4th, of course...) |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:39 am Post subject: |
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What interests me is that many people will use science to beat down religions (specifically Christianity, Islam seems to attract less criticism) and are applauded as enlightened people, but when someone uses science to highlight a difference between races they are often labelled as a racist or bigot.
The more I look into modern Western society's way of thinking, the more I see double standards and hypocrisy. |
What you've described/noticed is called "Cultural Marxism." The next questions you (all) should ask (yourselves--and the internet) are why Christianity has been attacked so strongly for the last 50 years or so, why every historically European nation is being flooded with 3rd world immigrants, why 'white privilege' alongside 'tolerance' is being preached via guilt-trip by the media, and why our homelands now resemble highly centralized communist/socialist states. Cui bono? Look it up, explore what really happened in the USSR and why neocons are now foaming at the mouth over taking Russia out; the information is widely available outside of MSM sources which are designed to fool you, and this slow destruction will have serious consequences/ramifications. However, I remain positive overall; as alarming as the modern world is (insofar as the idea has been imposed upon us), we will be witnessing the collapse of the central banking debt system in the coming years and that is the main source of this centralized, culture-shaping power that is ushering in the West's downfall. There's hope, but we need a reset, and maybe a few hangings. (Grab some popcorn and give zerohedge a gander for the best details of these ongoings; there are several profound intellectual movements across the non-MSM streams at the moment, and I'd advise those on Dave's to look into some of them ... and happy 4th, of course...) |
So, I'm expecting some crazy to spew, but how do our homelands resemble communist states, and what really did happen in the USSR (be more specific- the USSR was a big place that was around for a while, so a lot of things really did happen |
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stilicho25
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| An attempt to destroy most aspects of the indigenous culture, followed by the complete plundering of the economic system when the country failed? |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| An attempt to destroy most aspects of the indigenous culture, followed by the complete plundering of the economic system when the country failed? |
So your thesis is that the U.S. is about to fail and Obama is some sort of Gorbachev and Hillary will be Yeltsin, or what is it you are trying to say? |
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