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jazzmaster
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What interests me is that many people will use science to beat down religions (specifically Christianity, Islam seems to attract less criticism) and are applauded as enlightened people, but when someone uses science to highlight a difference between races they are often labelled as a racist or bigot.
The more I look into modern Western society's way of thinking, the more I see double standards and hypocrisy. |
What you've described/noticed is called "Cultural Marxism." The next questions you (all) should ask (yourselves--and the internet) are why Christianity has been attacked so strongly for the last 50 years or so, why every historically European nation is being flooded with 3rd world immigrants, why 'white privilege' alongside 'tolerance' is being preached via guilt-trip by the media, and why our homelands now resemble highly centralized communist/socialist states. Cui bono? Look it up, explore what really happened in the USSR and why neocons are now foaming at the mouth over taking Russia out; the information is widely available outside of MSM sources which are designed to fool you, and this slow destruction will have serious consequences/ramifications. However, I remain positive overall; as alarming as the modern world is (insofar as the idea has been imposed upon us), we will be witnessing the collapse of the central banking debt system in the coming years and that is the main source of this centralized, culture-shaping power that is ushering in the West's downfall. There's hope, but we need a reset, and maybe a few hangings. (Grab some popcorn and give zerohedge a gander for the best details of these ongoings; there are several profound intellectual movements across the non-MSM streams at the moment, and I'd advise those on Dave's to look into some of them ... and happy 4th, of course...) |
Can you point me to any websites that might expand my knowledge regarding what you are talking about? |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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What interests me is that many people will use science to beat down religions (specifically Christianity, Islam seems to attract less criticism) and are applauded as enlightened people, but when someone uses science to highlight a difference between races they are often labelled as a racist or bigot.
The more I look into modern Western society's way of thinking, the more I see double standards and hypocrisy. |
What you've described/noticed is called "Cultural Marxism." The next questions you (all) should ask (yourselves--and the internet) are why Christianity has been attacked so strongly for the last 50 years or so, why every historically European nation is being flooded with 3rd world immigrants, why 'white privilege' alongside 'tolerance' is being preached via guilt-trip by the media, and why our homelands now resemble highly centralized communist/socialist states. Cui bono? Look it up, explore what really happened in the USSR and why neocons are now foaming at the mouth over taking Russia out; the information is widely available outside of MSM sources which are designed to fool you, and this slow destruction will have serious consequences/ramifications. However, I remain positive overall; as alarming as the modern world is (insofar as the idea has been imposed upon us), we will be witnessing the collapse of the central banking debt system in the coming years and that is the main source of this centralized, culture-shaping power that is ushering in the West's downfall. There's hope, but we need a reset, and maybe a few hangings. (Grab some popcorn and give zerohedge a gander for the best details of these ongoings; there are several profound intellectual movements across the non-MSM streams at the moment, and I'd advise those on Dave's to look into some of them ... and happy 4th, of course...) |
Can you point me to any websites that might expand my knowledge regarding what you are talking about? |
Uch if you're going to listen to someone who bangs on about "Cultural Marxism", you may as well just go on to www.ratemypoo.com.
I'm an actual Marxist, and a former Party member, what he describes as this "Cultural Marxism" is simply bollocks.
Edit: not to dismiss the guy's complaints about the world and the economy, there are some concerning things going on. But to go all "Cultural Marxism" is a marker of idiocy. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm an actual Marxist, and a former Party member, what he describes as this "Cultural Marxism" is simply bollocks. |
You mean it doesn't exist? Or are you arguing that it is a figment of the right's imagination? |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm an actual Marxist, and a former Party member, what he describes as this "Cultural Marxism" is simply bollocks. |
You mean it doesn't exist? Or are you arguing that it is a figment of the right's imagination? |
Well both.
Marxism is just a critique of exploitation under Capitalism. I'm not entirely sure what's cultural about it.
I suspect that what is meant by the canard of "Cultural Marxism" is in fact Identity Politics. There are discussions to be had there, what was initially a genuinely good impetus, has seemed to be transformed into something quite ugly.
I notice that people who do bandy around the phrase "Cultural Marxism" tend to be right-wing, more than centre-right too. It's to them what "Corporations" are on the left. Lazy catch-all baddies. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect that what is meant by the canard of "Cultural Marxism" is in fact Identity Politics. There are discussions to be had there, what was initially a genuinely good impetus, has seemed to be transformed into something quite ugly. |
I guess what the term 'cultural marxism' refers to is those ideologies of the left -- feminism, multi-culturalism, anti-racism, as well as the more recent emphasis on gay/transgender rights -- that have spilled out of Western academia since the 1960s. Whether you want to call it 'cultural marxism' or 'identity politics,' they refer to the same phenomena. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect that what is meant by the canard of "Cultural Marxism" is in fact Identity Politics. There are discussions to be had there, what was initially a genuinely good impetus, has seemed to be transformed into something quite ugly. |
I guess what the term 'cultural marxism' refers to is those ideologies of the left -- feminism, multi-culturalism, anti-racism, as well as the more recent emphasis on gay/transgender rights -- that have spilled out of Western academia since the 1960s. Whether you want to call it 'cultural marxism' or 'identity politics,' they refer to the same phenomena. |
Yes, you pretty much have described Identity Politics. What I'm saying is simply that Marxism has little to do with it.
As such, "Cultural Marxism" is a bullshit name because Marxism is not related to that stuff. It's Identity Politics.
Marxism is simply a criticism of an economic system. Black people, women, homosexuals, etc aren't addressed by it in any way. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Also, when you refer to anti-racism, feminism, etc as being ideologies of the left, what are you saying?
These are not ideologies as such. They are not systematic schemata of political thought.
They're basically just nice sentiments (granted, dressed up as something more by some academics)- don't be mean to women and black people, be a bit more accepting of people from other cultures who live in your homeland.
I'm ideologically left-wing, my track of discussion tends to revolve around low-wages, deskilling, an elite that is growing ever further out of touch with the society they lead. etc.
No Marxist I know of seriously goes in for this "Cultural Marxism" thing that supposedly exists. |
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stilicho25
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:36 am Post subject: |
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As far as I know the genesis of cultural Marxism was the Frankfurt school and Herbert Marcuse. Eros and civilization was the central text, and yes it had nothing to do with real Marxism. It is mostly concerned with Freudian stuff, and it is pretty weird. They just stole a bunch of terms from Marxism, nothing from the underlying principles made it through. How such a weird ideology got so powerful is beyond me. It was important in the development of critical theory, which is what most identity politics derives from. Real commies hate this stuff. On historum real Marxists tore the social justice types apart.
It was something like,
sjw: female bankers should receive the same pay as male bankers!
Commie: hang them both. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| I'm an actual Marxist, and a former Party member, what he describes as this "Cultural Marxism" is simply bollocks. |
You mean it doesn't exist? Or are you arguing that it is a figment of the right's imagination? |
Well both.
Marxism is just a critique of exploitation under Capitalism. I'm not entirely sure what's cultural about it.
I suspect that what is meant by the canard of "Cultural Marxism" is in fact Identity Politics. There are discussions to be had there, what was initially a genuinely good impetus, has seemed to be transformed into something quite ugly.
I notice that people who do bandy around the phrase "Cultural Marxism" tend to be right-wing, more than centre-right too. It's to them what "Corporations" are on the left. Lazy catch-all baddies. |
"Cultural Marxist" translates as the Jewish agenda in a way that won't violate the TOS or offend actual Jewish posters. Because Marx and Trotsky and Lenin had at least some Jewish ancestry. |
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stilicho25
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Eros and civilization had some pretty strident anti European and anti Christian overtones. They claimed it was uniquely hostile to the variety of human sexual behaviors. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
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| I'm an actual Marxist, and a former Party member, what he describes as this "Cultural Marxism" is simply bollocks. |
You mean it doesn't exist? Or are you arguing that it is a figment of the right's imagination? |
Well both.
Marxism is just a critique of exploitation under Capitalism. I'm not entirely sure what's cultural about it.
I suspect that what is meant by the canard of "Cultural Marxism" is in fact Identity Politics. There are discussions to be had there, what was initially a genuinely good impetus, has seemed to be transformed into something quite ugly.
I notice that people who do bandy around the phrase "Cultural Marxism" tend to be right-wing, more than centre-right too. It's to them what "Corporations" are on the left. Lazy catch-all baddies. |
"Cultural Marxist" translates as the Jewish agenda in a way that won't violate the TOS or offend actual Jewish posters. Because Marx and Trotsky and Lenin had at least some Jewish ancestry. |
Those Jews are pretty considerate, coming up with an agenda that doesn't breach TOS. 
At least their posts explaining our subjection won't get modded. |
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jazzmaster
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