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FDNY



Joined: 27 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:53 pm    Post subject: Similarities Between North Korea and the USA Reply with quote

1/ Both are militarized and aggressive.
2/ Both execute their own citizens.
3/ Both have father-to-son power transfer.
4/ Both have a phenomenal income difference between rich and poor.
5/ Both need a "bogey man" to scare the populace. The North Koreans
have the USA and the USA has terrorism.
6/ Both governments have no problems spying into every detail of the
personal lives of their inhabitants.
7/ Both have huge, well stocked and pervasive prison systems.
8/ Both have drug problems.
9/ Both have a large portion of their populace living below the poverty line.
10/ Both have weapons of mass destruction.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some points to consider-

1. Militarize or be invaded has been the lesson of history the last 10000 years.

2. Meh. In the U.S. its for convicted murderers who don't plea bargin and are found guilty by a jury.

3. Pretty much every culture suffers from nepotism. A strong man once said, "La Familia es Todo". Besides, we voted for them. Many countries still retain ceremonial monarchs. Those that don't have famous father-son or father-daughter powerholders often have power politics that resemble something out of a gang movie.

4. Pretty much every country on Earth has that. And the poor in the U.S. are remarkebly well off on the grand scale of things.

5. Yeah, that's kind of exceptional. Most other countries, the people's enemy is "that **** who works over in accounting" or that girl who smiles a little too charmingly at your boyfriend.

6. Almost all governments have spy networks that look into domestic activities. To not do so would be hopelessly naive.

7. Yeah, prison in the US is out of control. No argument here.

8. People love to get high/buzzed pretty much everywhere. Yes, even the Middle East.

9. See number 4.

10. Meh. Neither has used them in a long time and they seem to work to prevent wholesale slaughter. I mean, which would you rahter have- 50 years of Cold War with "police actions" in a few countries or 5 years of very bloody World War?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

2. Meh. In the U.S. its for convicted murderers who don't plea bargin and are found guilty by a jury.


You're being far too generous to the complete travesty that is capital punishment in the United States of America. And that puts aside the fact that America has willfully assassinated at least one of its citizens without trial (and killed his son as well, who evidently should have "had a more responsible father.").
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

North Korea's regime is one of the very few totalitarian states left, whereas the United States regime is merely authoritarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism#Authoritarianism_and_totalitarianism

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Totalitarianism is an extreme version of authoritarianism. Authoritarianism primarily differs from totalitarianism in that social and economic institutions exist that are not under governmental control.


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Authoritarianism and democracy are not fundamentally opposed to one another, it is thus definitely possible for democracies to possess strong authoritarian elements, for both feature a form of submission to authority. For instance, Recep Tayyip Erdo─čan, Prime Minister of Turkey, was elected three times, but shows strong authoritarian tendencies.


I should note that this wikipedia article considers North Korea authoritarian, whereas I consider it totalitarian. But North Korea's design is clearly totalitarian.
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El Bandito



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Steelrails wrote:

2. Meh. In the U.S. its for convicted murderers who don't plea bargin and are found guilty by a jury.


You're being far too generous to the complete travesty that is capital punishment in the United States of America. And that puts aside the fact that America has willfully assassinated at least one of its citizens without trial (and killed his son as well, who evidently should have "had a more responsible father.").


Eh? What are you on about?
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a dissimilarity:

People around the world are desperate to get into the United States (the wealthiest country in the history of civilization).

People in North Korea are desperate to get out.

North Korea has fences and border guards preventing people from getting out.

The U.S. has a long waiting list of people who want to get in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El7W8tusUYk


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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Bandito wrote:
Fox wrote:
Steelrails wrote:

2. Meh. In the U.S. its for convicted murderers who don't plea bargin and are found guilty by a jury.


You're being far too generous to the complete travesty that is capital punishment in the United States of America. And that puts aside the fact that America has willfully assassinated at least one of its citizens without trial (and killed his son as well, who evidently should have "had a more responsible father.").


Eh? What are you on about?


http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_year_old_son/
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El Bandito



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
El Bandito wrote:
Fox wrote:
Steelrails wrote:

2. Meh. In the U.S. its for convicted murderers who don't plea bargin and are found guilty by a jury.


You're being far too generous to the complete travesty that is capital punishment in the United States of America. And that puts aside the fact that America has willfully assassinated at least one of its citizens without trial (and killed his son as well, who evidently should have "had a more responsible father.").


Eh? What are you on about?


http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_year_old_son/


Sorry. Thought it was important. A couple of dead terrorists. No big deal.
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FDNY



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, I forgot one:

11/ Both flags are red, white and blue and feature star(s) and stripes.

Laughing
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

North Korea comparison was interesting, hadn't thought of that.

The USA is a new species of fascism. Tyranny learns, evolves, becomes more covert. The Hitler thing was straight forward -- there is a man, you end the man, the thing ends. The USA thing is much more savvy, there isn't a man, there is "the corporation". You can't kill something that doesn't exist.

If you tally up all the lives that ended from 1) USA guns at home and abroad, 2) their poisoned food supply, 3) their drug selling "medical" industry; you've got a lot of dead humans, and a wonderful amount of corporate profit!! There's no need to carry on overtly like Hitler did, what does that accomplish? Better to keep your population alive and then cannibalize them. More profit, more better. Very Happy
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: Similarities Between North Korea and the USA Reply with quote

FDNY wrote:
1/ Both are militarized and aggressive.


Having a military does not make a country militarized. Only a complete imbecile would look at US society and say, "Hey, that's a military culture!"

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2/ Both execute their own citizens.


The US executes people for their own crimes, not because they're related to someone who upset the despot in charge.

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3/ Both have father-to-son power transfer.


Huh? The US does not have father-to-son power transfer. The US has elections, actual elections, even for the presidency. North Korea has the despot in charge (who is effectively a king) designate which of his sons will be the new despot in charge.

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4/ Both have a phenomenal income difference between rich and poor.


Pretty much every country in the world does.

The rest of your post is just extremist blathering. Get back to us when you've gotten an actual clue of reality.
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NohopeSeriously



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one difference. The USA is very Marxist even today. (Countries with American style presidential systems tend to do that.) North Korea got rid of Marxism in their constitutions and socio-political practices not too long ago.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Steelrails wrote:

2. Meh. In the U.S. its for convicted murderers who don't plea bargin and are found guilty by a jury.


You're being far too generous to the complete travesty that is capital punishment in the United States of America. And that puts aside the fact that America has willfully assassinated at least one of its citizens without trial (and killed his son as well, who evidently should have "had a more responsible father.").


Fair enough. While I'd say the majority of people executed were guilty of the crimes they were convicted of in U.S. Domestic courts, there is still a significant number wrongfully convicted and of course our international executions and such.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
The USA is very Marxist even today. (Countries with American style presidential systems tend to do that.)


I'll bite. Care to explain both of these assertions?
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Bandito wrote:
Kuros wrote:
El Bandito wrote:
Fox wrote:
Steelrails wrote:

2. Meh. In the U.S. its for convicted murderers who don't plea bargin and are found guilty by a jury.


You're being far too generous to the complete travesty that is capital punishment in the United States of America. And that puts aside the fact that America has willfully assassinated at least one of its citizens without trial (and killed his son as well, who evidently should have "had a more responsible father.").


Eh? What are you on about?


http://www.salon.com/2011/10/20/the_killing_of_awlakis_16_year_old_son/


Sorry. Thought it was important. A couple of dead terrorists. No big deal.


It is debatable if Awlaki was a terrorist. His son most definitely was not. Thank you for showing your ignorance on the subject.
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